Posted on 12/27/2008 6:02:01 PM PST by Steelfish
I could get more on Ebay for the hat on the left.
I could get more on Ebay for the hat on the left.
Except, isn’t the guy on the right like, you know, more important? If so, his may be worth more to some people.
>>BTW... that “cracker” is more efficacious for restraining sin than a lifetime of bible study.<<
Actually, the cracker is half of a simple reminder of what Christ did for us. The birth, death and resurrection as payment for our sins. Sin restraining, on the otherhand, is a matter for each individual. It is not the purpose of communion.
On a side note, my young niece was not quite old enough to take communion during one mass but she went up anyway. Afterward her mom scolded her and asked why she did it. Her response: “Heloooo, I was hungry!”.
Throwing everyone in solitary confinement with nothing but Pat Boone records would be a pretty good sin restrainer, but it is not a good thing.
“I could get more on Ebay for the hat on the left.”
A certain times of the year, no doubt about it.
“Except, isn’t the guy on the right like, you know, more important? If so, his may be worth more to some people.”
True, true. But the real big money on eBay was for those pieces of the True Cross, but that’s not allowed anymore, more’s the shame!
Next you will be telling me how that man could not give me sight because you know he is a sinner.
And who are you to allow and deny the elements and character of that personal relationship?
>>And who are you to allow and deny the elements and character of that personal relationship?<<
I am not denying anyone anything. Heck, I even allow muslims to blow themselves up as a form of worship - as long as they don’t blow anyone else up.
IOW, I am denying nobody anything. I refuse to come between you and God. It is a direct relationship between you and Him. Nobody should presume to step in the middle of that.
>>Next you will be telling me how that man could not give me sight because you know he is a sinner.<<
What man?
When did I mention sinners and their ability to perform miracles? I honestly am missing the point here.
Jesus let those people go because He knew no matter what He said, they wouldn't believe Him...
Joh 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Catholics believe that Jesus loves us so much that He wanted to remain with us until the end of the world.
With all due respect, Jesus gave Himself to us in the form of the Holy Spirit to be with us til He comes again to take us home...
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;
He would have remained suspended on that cross to stay with us, but would have then been limited to one dark corner of the planet. In the Eucharist, He is where we are, all over the world.
Jesus objective was to be Resurrected...No, he wouldn't have stayed on the Cross for Catholics to gather and worship His dead, broken body...
That's the difference between believing the propoganda your church puts out and what God told us in the scriptures...
It doesn't matter to me what you people believe but scripture means nothing to you guys...
All you can do is cut and paste the propoganda and selected bible passages that your church demands you use...You can't respond to scripture other than what your church has programmed into you...
Don't blame me- Jesus said it! When He taught something that people did not understand, like Nicodemus, thinking to be born again he had to climb back into his mother's womb, Jesus corrected the misunderstanding.
When others did not like what Jesus said, He did not change what He said, He repeated it. That is exactly what He does when He said “unless you eat my body and drink my blood you have no life in you”. The people then did not like it any better than you do now. When they argued with Him, He repeated Himself. In fact, He repeated Himself 5 times. I'm sorry if you don't like what He said, but He was painfully clear, and I do not presume to change/ignore/misinterpret what He said.
As to what those who left Him would believe, they obviously believed quite a bit, otherwise they would not have followed Him that far. But they could not accept that one teaching. Perhaps there would have been others, but that was the one they could not swallow.
Throughout history there were others that could not accept certain teachings, and they went their way also. There are about 30,000 different Christian denominations now, all believing their interpretation of the Bible to be correct. If that is the Holy Spirit at work, He must want us all to believe different things.
While there is one God, there are three distinct persons; Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus can't give Himself “in the form of” the Spirit. He said He would (and did) send the Spirit, but either way you look at it, “Unless you eat my body” is not the same as sending the Spirit.
So as to Chapter 6 of the Gospel of John, particularly verse 53, I take your referral to the command of Jesus as “propaganda” to mean that you would rather not discuss it. Sounds like you pretty much agree with those who said “this is a hard saying, who can accept it?”
As to sending the Spirit, yes, Jesus did as He said He would! He sent the Spirit to Peter and the other Apostles, and that Spirit has remained with His Church for the last 2000 years, and the Spirit will remain, as Jesus promised, until the end of the world!
Just as the cross is meaningless without the resurrection, you can have no resurrection without the cross. It was the passion and death of Jesus that opened the gates of Heaven. He came into the world to die. Certainly if His point was only to resurrect, He could have chosen a much less painful way to die; perhaps something like His good friend Lazarus whom He also raised.
As to worshiping His dead and broken body; no, we worship Him- God. And only God. We honor His sacrifice; God the creator allowing His creation to kill Him; taking the sins of the world upon Himself. That sacrifice is what redeems us; His resurrection is the “final victory”, but is impossible without the cross.
As to your belief that scripture means nothing to Catholics,or, “you people” as you put it, you're very wrong! Someone posted a long list of the prayers in the Catholic Mass and the scriptural basis of it. As to cutting and pasting, you seem to do a pretty good job of it yourself, and remember- you're the one that wanted a scriptural passage!
Finally, do not forget where the New Testament came from; it came from God through His Church. It was written, copied, and passed down through generations, and codified in one book finally in the year 390-something AD. By the Church. And until the printing press in 1400-something, the Church copied it by hand and distributed it to the various churches. If you accept the Bible as the unerring and inspired Word of God, then you have to thank the Church, under the direction of the Holy Spirit, for picking the books of the Bible, and copying for all those years. So don't presume to tell Catholics anything about scripture! That's OUR book!
Oh, Really???
Joh 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
You guys can't quote scripture to back up your fantasies because scripture doesn't back you up...
There are about 30,000 different Christian denominations now
Why do you guys keep repeating this proven lie??? You need to switch to some new material...
While there is one God, there are three distinct persons; Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus can't give Himself “in the form of” the Spirit.
But He certainly did...You having trouble knawing on the Spirit???
So as to Chapter 6 of the Gospel of John, particularly verse 53, I take your referral to the command of Jesus as “propaganda” to mean that you would rather not discuss it. Sounds like you pretty much agree with those who said “this is a hard saying, who can accept it?
Not discuss it??? I discussed it in the post you are responding to...
As to sending the Spirit, yes, Jesus did as He said He would! He sent the Spirit to Peter and the other Apostles, and that Spirit has remained with His Church for the last 2000 years, and the Spirit will remain, as Jesus promised, until the end of the world!
Jesus didn't send the Holy Spirit to YOU???
Someone posted a long list of the prayers in the Catholic Mass and the scriptural basis of it.
I wouldn't be bragging too much...I checked out those references...I'll bet you didn't...
Finally, do not forget where the New Testament came from; it came from God through His Church.
More propoganda...The Scriptures came from God TO his church, NOT thru it...
Apparently the Catholic book of John, chapter six has only 5 or 6 verses in it...I have yet to see a Catholic comment on any verses except 'eat my flesh' and 'Jesus let the people go cause it was a hard saying'...
They followed Him until He said “eat my body and drink my blood”, they could not accept that, so they left.
As to “quote scripture”, I don't need to- it's there- you just interpret it incorrectly, like the other 29,999.
How is 30,000 denominations a lie? Are you saying there are more, or less? Jesus created a Church; these others are created by men. Technically, there are probably as many different denominations as there are non-Catholic Christians, as you have no Teaching Authority- you can pretty much believe whatever you want, as shown by your misinterpretation of scripture.
If you think “the Son” can somehow morph or change into the Holy Spirit, well, you're misinterpreting scripture more than you realize.
Well if you did discuss John 6:53 I must have missed it; I'll go back through the thread tomorrow and look for it; I have to leave work now, and don't have the time.
Yes, I have received the Holy Spirit, but not in the same way the church has it- I was not guaranteed that my interpretation of God's word is correct- that guarantee was given to the Church- not individuals. If it were, why the 30,000+ different interpretations? Seems to me if Jesus cared enough to spend 3 years teaching and preaching, then dying on the cross and rising, he would have wanted us the believe in Him, who is Truth. Everyone doing their own thing is not following Truth.
What scriptural reference in particular regarding the Mass do you have a problem with?
Not through His Church? Who wrote it? Under inspiration, I agree, but it was written, preserved, codified by the Church- under the Holy Spirit, but by the Church. Scripture itself has Jesus only writing once, and that was in sand.
As to John Chapter 6, it does have 71 verses; 1-15 about the feeding of the 5000, 16-21 about crossing the sea, 22-25 about the crowd following him, and 26-71 about the institution of the Eucharist. I assume we would not find much to disagree about in the feeding of the 5000 or crossing the sea; you're the one that wanted a scripture passage about the Eucharist!
And you know this, how??? Verse 34, same group...Verse 41, same group...Verse 42, same group...Verse 52, same group...
Verse 24:
Joh 6:24 When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.
The hungry Jews followed Jesus to Capernaum...
The same Jews obviously found Jesus at the synagogue:
Joh 6:59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
Joh 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
From the beginning, you get that??? Same group...Jesus refused to reveal His parables to unbelievers...
Yes, I have received the Holy Spirit, but not in the same way the church has it-
You got scripture to back that up with???
As to “quote scripture”, I don't need to- it's there- you just interpret it incorrectly, like the other 29,999.
I didn't interpret anything...You're the one trying to interpret...I'm just repeating what it says...
as you have no Teaching Authority-
No teaching authority??? I have as much teaching authority as anyone at any level in your church...
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That's because the authory is the scripture; not some single men who walk around in long robes looking religious...
If you think “the Son” can somehow morph or change into the Holy Spirit, well, you're misinterpreting scripture more than you realize.
So now you're the expert on the Trinity too, eh???
Yes, I have received the Holy Spirit, but not in the same way the church has it- I was not guaranteed that my interpretation of God's word is correct- that guarantee was given to the Church- not individuals.
You're wrong again...The Truth of the scriptures is in the scriptures...It's given to anyone who will accept it...
Not through His Church? Who wrote it? Under inspiration, I agree, but it was written, preserved, codified by the Church- under the Holy Spirit, but by the Church.
Your church is not THE church...Your religion split from the the universal church and moved in with Pagan Rome...Your religion became the official religion of Pagan Rome...
In any case a minor point. I have read through the entire thread, and I do not see you address the discourse of Jesus in John 6:35-59 anywhere, except to object to the Eucharistic prayer of the Mass being based on certain passages, and your accusation of me of cutting and pasting (of which you have done far more) and propaganda...
Christ clearly said “unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you” and “Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him”. You have been dancing around that.
Nor did you address Luke 22:19; "do this in remembrance of me"... the Last Supper; also the first Mass.
We have veered off the original topic; the Mass and Eucharist. I will refrain from responding to your other comments until you reply with your interpretation of these passages (John 6:35-59 and Luke 22) directly.
Huge difference...I cut and paste scripture...
We have veered off the original topic; the Mass and Eucharist. I will refrain from responding to your other comments until you reply with your interpretation of these passages (John 6:35-59 and Luke 22) directly.
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Is that literal??? Or is that some sort of a parable??? You ever been hungry since you've come to Jesus???
Joh 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
If you come to Jesus (NOT EAT HIS FLESH) He will never cast you out...
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Belief, NOT EATING is the key to eternal life...
Joh 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
This verse, referring back to the parable in verse 35...
Joh 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
Joh 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
There's the plan of salvation...
Joh 6:48 I am that bread of life.
figuratively; spiritually...
Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
They ate literal food which sustained their FLESH but they ultimately died in the end...Jesus offered spiritual nourishment which will save the soul, not the flesh...
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Shall not die...Shall never be hungry again...Shall never be thirsty again...Obviously a parable...Unless you've never been hungry or thirsty since coming to Jesus...Spiritual application...
Joh 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Jesus couldn't...And they knew it...Jesus didn't correct them because He already knew they didn't believe and wouldn't believe regardless...
Just as thru out the other Gospels, Jesus didn't correct the followers when he gave the parables...
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Thru out the NT, Jesus Jesus and the apostles talk of gaining eternal life WITHOUT eating the flesh of Jesus...By believing that He is the Son of God and our Saviour...
Precept upon precept; line upon line...
Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Figuratively and spiritually...I have consumed Jesus in my soul...
Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live forever.
You forgot one...
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
It's the spirit that gets lifted up; benefits...Not the flesh...To get spiritual nourishment, you eat 'spiritual' food...The flesh profits nothing...
Literal. But not referring to physical hunger- that's what he's chiding the crowd who followed him for- He is referring to spiritual hunger and thirst. Have I been hungry physically? You bet! Spiritually? Not as long as I have "the Bread of Life"!
Jesus addresses this very issue by telling them that their fathers ate manna in the desert and perished, and that they should not look for physical food, but spiritual food. While we physically eat, it is not for our physical health, but spiritual!
Joh 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Jesus is commenting on their unbelief, and that He will not reject anyone. He was giving Himself for the entire world. Of course, individuals are certainly free to reject Him.
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
As with the previous verses, so far Jesus is talking about Himself as the Bread of Life come down from heaven- in relation to His miracle of the day before, feeding the 5000, and the manna their fathers ate in the desert. He has not mentioned His flesh- yet. Here He is referring to the fact that God sent Him and that He wills all to be saved and that salvation is through Him.
Joh 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. Joh 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven? Joh 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
The crowd does not believe He came down from heaven- they knew his parents! How can he be from heaven? Jesus tells them again that He is the bread from heaven, and that salvation is through Him.
Joh 6:48 I am that bread of life. Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
I agree that Jesus is talking about food for our souls and not for our bodies. He is not speaking metaphorically, but literally.
In verse 51 Jesus finally mentions His flesh- which He will give for the world. Is Jesus mixing his metaphors here? "the bread that I will give is my flesh which I will give for the life of the world"... So part of that sentence is figurative (the bread I will give is my flesh) and part literal (which I will give for the life of the world)?
Jesus finally uses the word flesh here because the crowd thinks like you - he is speaking figuratively. Instead of using more figurative language, he tells them the bread is His flesh". Sounds more and more literal to me...
Joh 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
You say He can't- I listen to Him Who said not only that He could, but that He would! No, they did not believe- they had no faith. As you will soon see, his apostles that did not leave Him, while not understanding, believed. If it were simply that some did not believe, would He not have "cleared it up" for those that did believe?
On the contrary, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, when Jesus wanted to clear up a misunderstanding, he further explained Himself. Look at John Chapter 3, with Nicodemus, or Matthew, Chapter 16 about the leaven. Jesus was quite capable of clearing up misunderstandings. When people understand correctly but disagree with Him, HE REPEATS HIMSELF
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
So because He does not mention it everywhere else the fact that He mentions it here means... He does not really mean it?
Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Figuratively and spiritually...I have consumed Jesus in my soul...
You're part way there! Catholics have "spiritual communion" when they cannot actually receive Jesus physically. Where else in the entire New Testament does someone misunderstand Jesus on a point of doctrine and Jesus not clear it up? Instead, again, remarkably, He repeats Himself!
Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live forever.
Again Jesus repeats Himself. In verses 60-62 the crowd says it is too hard to believe. Jesus says, hey, if you think this one is too hard to believe, wait until I ascend to heaven after I rise from the dead..."
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
This is another one we interpret differently. In the passages before, Jesus tells his followers to eat His flesh- now he tells them it's a waste of time? HIS flesh a waste of time? No, He is talking about the flesh!
What Jesus is saying here is that using only the rational-brain-flesh- is to no avail; it must be understood through faith- the spirit.
If His flesh was to no avail, why did He come to earth, suffer, die and rise for us? Did He not do this in the flesh?
Any thoughts on Luke 22:19; "do this in remembrance of me"... the Last Supper?
I have enjoyed this last part of the conversation, Iscool, without the earlier invectives. Have a blessed and joyful new year!
Spiritual food is not available for physical consumption...Spiritual food is for spiritual consumption...
The disciples that left weren't interested in knawing on a finger or leg, but Catholics jumped at the opportunity??? I don't believe it...
So I'll turn the question on you...Why didn't Jesus stop those people and tell them wait, it's not as gross as you think...I'm going to turn my flesh into bread first and my blood into wine so you won't be able to tell it's meat and blood???
If your priest offered you a piece of juicy red meat and a cup of blood at your Eucharist, half of you would pass out and the other half would vomit...No one would take the Eucharist...
Jesus never said he was going to turn his blood into wine and his flesh into bread to make it more palatable...
And I'll bet the apostles were quite relieved when Jesus broke the bread and said 'eat, this is my body'...
Even if you did eat the human flesh of Jesus what good would it do??? Jesus' flesh died just like yours and mine will...It was corrupted...Jesus blood??? If it came from Mary, it was corrupted as well...Full of cancer cells, cholesterol that would cause heart disease...
Jesus' human flesh and blood could not give eternal life...Jesus flesh grew from a baby into a man...His flesh and blood would have given out by the time he was 80, had he lived...
No? Why not? What exactly is "spiritual food?" Jesus said "EAT". Eating is a physical action. Why are you changing the words of Jesus?
The disciples that left weren't interested in knawing on a finger or leg, but Catholics jumped at the opportunity??? I don't believe it...
It is ironic that some scholars say the word used as "eat" actually meant to gnaw and chew. You are right, they were disgusted at the words of Jesus because they did not have faith. They wanted understanding. Instead of saying "wait a minute, you don't understand", He asks "does this shock you?" and let them go... He then turns to His apostles and did not say "clearly they misunderstood me" but "are you going to leave also?"
Those that did have faith as represented by Peter asked "where else are we going to go? You have the words of eternal life". They did not understand, but they believed.
So I'll turn the question on you...Why didn't Jesus stop those people and tell them wait, it's not as gross as you think...I'm going to turn my flesh into bread first and my blood into wine so you won't be able to tell it's meat and blood???
I think it is pretty clear that He expected them to exhibit an element of faith. They wanted a sign; "hey, what you did yesterday was pretty good, but can you top Moses and his 40 years of manna?". And that was His response. No, he did not explain it to them; He wanted them to believe. They did not have the faith to believe, like those who remained.
If your priest offered you a piece of juicy red meat and a cup of blood at your Eucharist, half of you would pass out and the other half would vomit...No one would take the Eucharist...
You misunderstand the Eucharist. It is not a piece of Jesus, like a finger or an elbow. It is His glorified body and blood, soul and divinity, whole and entire. Books have been written about it; I do not have the time or knowledge to write one here- though I can give you some titles if you are interested.
Yes, we would be horrified if that were the case, which Jesus certainly knew.
Jesus never said he was going to turn his blood into wine and his flesh into bread to make it more palatable...
Correct! Though He did turn bread into His body and wine into His blood in that passage of Luke you keep ignoring!
And I'll bet the apostles were quite relieved when Jesus broke the bread and said 'eat, this is my body'...
Yes, I'm sure they were! They finally understood! Their faith paid off! Though they were to be sorely tried the next day!
Even if you did eat the human flesh of Jesus what good would it do??? Jesus' flesh died just like yours and mine will...It was corrupted...Jesus blood??? If it came from Mary, it was corrupted as well...Full of cancer cells, cholesterol that would cause heart disease...
Catholics believe Jesus rose again three days after His death. He rose in a glorified body that can no longer experience pain, sickness, and death. As He said we would also one day too.
Jesus then ascended into heaven, where He sits at the right hand of the Father.
As to what good it would do me? For starters, Jesus said "whoever eats my body and drinks my blood will have eternal life and I will raise him up on the last day". Again, books have been written on the subject if you are interested.
Jesus' human flesh and blood could not give eternal life...Jesus flesh grew from a baby into a man...His flesh and blood would have given out by the time he was 80, had he lived...
Again, body and blood, soul and divinity- the entire, glorified Jesus
Above you mention briefly the literal fulfillment of John chapter 6, where Jesus does give his body and blood at the last supper. Where he physically holds up bread and tells them to "take and EAT, THIS IS MY BODY". Matthew 26, Mark 14, and Luke 22.
Christians who are filled with the Holy Spirit have eternal life...No one is required to eat the flesh, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus to have eternal life...
If you build your doctrine on a phrase, ‘eat my flesh’, you have to ignore what Jesus said in hundreds of other scriptures...
If you are filled with the Holy Spirit, you have no need for the soul and divinity of Jesus...You have the presence of God already within you...
Jesus said He sent the Holy Spirit in His place...
Jesus said we have a Spiritual circumcision...Does that mean we have to have a physical circumcision but we apply it spiritually as well???
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