In any case a minor point. I have read through the entire thread, and I do not see you address the discourse of Jesus in John 6:35-59 anywhere, except to object to the Eucharistic prayer of the Mass being based on certain passages, and your accusation of me of cutting and pasting (of which you have done far more) and propaganda...
Christ clearly said “unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you” and “Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him”. You have been dancing around that.
Nor did you address Luke 22:19; "do this in remembrance of me"... the Last Supper; also the first Mass.
We have veered off the original topic; the Mass and Eucharist. I will refrain from responding to your other comments until you reply with your interpretation of these passages (John 6:35-59 and Luke 22) directly.
Huge difference...I cut and paste scripture...
We have veered off the original topic; the Mass and Eucharist. I will refrain from responding to your other comments until you reply with your interpretation of these passages (John 6:35-59 and Luke 22) directly.
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Is that literal??? Or is that some sort of a parable??? You ever been hungry since you've come to Jesus???
Joh 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
If you come to Jesus (NOT EAT HIS FLESH) He will never cast you out...
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Belief, NOT EATING is the key to eternal life...
Joh 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
This verse, referring back to the parable in verse 35...
Joh 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
Joh 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
There's the plan of salvation...
Joh 6:48 I am that bread of life.
figuratively; spiritually...
Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
They ate literal food which sustained their FLESH but they ultimately died in the end...Jesus offered spiritual nourishment which will save the soul, not the flesh...
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Shall not die...Shall never be hungry again...Shall never be thirsty again...Obviously a parable...Unless you've never been hungry or thirsty since coming to Jesus...Spiritual application...
Joh 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Jesus couldn't...And they knew it...Jesus didn't correct them because He already knew they didn't believe and wouldn't believe regardless...
Just as thru out the other Gospels, Jesus didn't correct the followers when he gave the parables...
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Thru out the NT, Jesus Jesus and the apostles talk of gaining eternal life WITHOUT eating the flesh of Jesus...By believing that He is the Son of God and our Saviour...
Precept upon precept; line upon line...
Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Figuratively and spiritually...I have consumed Jesus in my soul...
Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live forever.
You forgot one...
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
It's the spirit that gets lifted up; benefits...Not the flesh...To get spiritual nourishment, you eat 'spiritual' food...The flesh profits nothing...