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Did Noah's Flood start in the Carmel?
Jeursalem Post ^ | Dec 10, 2008 | ETGAR LEFKOVITS

Posted on 12/10/2008 10:53:09 AM PST by Between the Lines

A deluge that swept the Land of Israel more than 7,000 years ago, submerging six Neolithic villages opposite the Carmel Mountains, is the origin of the biblical flood of Noah, a British marine archeologist said Tuesday.

The new theory about the source of the great flood detailed in the Book of Genesis comes amid continuing controversy among scholars over whether the inundation of the Black Sea more than seven millennia ago was the biblical flood.

In the theory posited by British marine archeologist Dr. Sean Kingsley and published in the Bulletin of the Anglo-Israeli Archaeological Society, the drowning of the Carmel Mountains villages - which include houses, temples, graves, water wells, workshops and stone tools - is by far "the most compelling" archeological evidence exposed to date for Noah's flood.

"What's more convincing scientifically, a flood in the Black Sea, so far away from Israel and the fantasy of a supposed ark marooned on the slopes of Mount Ararat, or six submerged Neolithic villages smack-bang in the middle of the Bible Land?" Kingsley said in a telephone interview with The Jerusalem Post.

He added that the site, which has been excavated by Israeli archeologist Dr. Ehud Galili over the last quarter-century, offers a "pretty convincing cocktail of coincidences," including submerged layers of villages in a critical location, and one that was known for its nautical revolution.

But Galili rejected Kingsley's theory, saying Tuesday that it could not be true.

"Based on our archeological finds, the village was not abandoned due to a catastrophic event, but due to the slow rise of sea levels which occurred all over the world," he said. "The pace of the increase in the sea level was very slow, so that it would not be significant enough for people to remember it in the course of their lifetime."

Galili noted that, following the major tsunami that hit Asia, there was a scientific trend in the world to hunt for mega-disasters that happened in the past.

"We did not find any proofs which indicate that a tsunami or other such catastrophe flooded the villages, even though there are proofs that a tsunami did occur in the Mediterranean Sea," he said.

Kingsley, a self-declared atheist, said he had begun studying the origins of Noah's flood five years ago as a result of his interest into "how mythologies came into existence," as well as a desire to connect the biblical story with global warming.

The alternate theory that the inundation of the Black Sea around 5,600 BCE was the source of the biblical flood is called into question by the fact that no villages, houses, cemeteries or graves have ever been found under its waves, Kingsley said.

Scholars agree the Black Sea flooded when rising world sea levels caused the Mediterranean to burst over land, turning the freshwater lake into a saltwater sea. The flood was so monstrous that it raised water levels by 155 meters and submerged up to 150,000 square kilometers of land.

But scholars are divided on when the flood occurred, and how rapidly. Most believe it took place about 9,000 years ago and was gradual.

The date of the massive flooding on the Carmel Coast, which Kingsley estimates to have taken place between the sixth and fifth millennia BCE, is another unknown.

"The precise timing of this localized flooding is still being worked out, but there is no doubt that the villages of the Carmel were lost not to earthquakes or tectonic movements but to killer waves," Kingsley said.

The lost villages cluster opposite the Carmel Mountains in depths of 12 meters. Atlit-Yam, 10 meters south of Haifa, is the largest submerged Neolithic village in the Mediterranean Sea.

Kingsley's theory about the origin of Noah's flood, an independent archeologist said, is interesting but dubious.

"Whether or not one can make a direct link between the biblical story and the submerged Neolithic sites is doubtful," said Prof. Shimon Gibson, an archeologist with the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. "But it does show that episodes of substantial flooding did occur in these parts of the world and that that kind of fear would have existed within the cultural conscientiousness [sic] of ancient peoples.

"The bottom line," he concluded, "is that overall evidence of [a] world submerged in flood does not exist."


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To: SunkenCiv; RightWhale; Admin Moderator
I did a title search using the words “Noah's flood” before posting this article and found nothing. I was told long ago (by a mod) not to do title searches using the entire title, but to use only key words so that any article on the same subject with a similar title would show. The purpose of using key words was to limit repeat articles where one or more words may have been changed.

But it appears that this does method no longer works. Currently if I do a title search using the word “Noah” none of these three articles show, but two from last month do. Use the word “flood” and the previous two show, but this one does not.

21 posted on 12/11/2008 6:44:23 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: Between the Lines
As I understand it, Jewish Tradition teaches that 'Eretz Yisra'el was the only place on earth protected from the Flood.
22 posted on 12/11/2008 6:55:35 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ("Lo' Ya`aqov ye'amer `od shimkha ki 'im-Yisra'el; ki sarita `im-'Eloqim ve`im-'anashim vatukhal.")
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To: Between the Lines

With the new software, be sure to check the pull-down on a search, that it is set to “title.” The default is “keyword.”


23 posted on 12/11/2008 7:08:35 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Between the Lines

You’re right, the search is (at best) a bit iffy. I only found all three of ‘em because I got pinged to ‘em. Usually (not always) Google works best to find even brand new topics. I’ve posted a topic, then thought, maybe I should have checked first, and the topmost hit was the topic I just posted. Too bad that company is run by leftist goons who should be marched out and forced to use really old hardwired routers.


24 posted on 12/11/2008 1:44:47 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: Claud
There are obvious similarities between the two stories, but to my eye it looks more like they were both independent traditions that preserve an original, probably oral account of the event.
I wholeheartedly agree. There are dozens of great flood stories worldwide -- only the Biblical story is said to be stolen, and that is done strictly for political reasons. Also, (to all, by way of superfluous clarification) the "Epic of Gilgamesh" is Sumerian (a language isolate), not Assyrian/Akkadian. It was adapted/translated and passed down through the Semitic language used by the Assyrians. :')
25 posted on 12/11/2008 1:53:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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