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NYC Churches Ordered Not To Shelter Homeless
WCBSTV ^ | Nov 22,08 | WCBSTV

Posted on 11/23/2008 6:07:17 AM PST by freemike

Is this not just the perfect example of the pure outright evil of socialist government? They create conditions that increase the homeless(emptying psych. hospitals, destroying jobs, interfering with markets, seizing wealth, dumbing down education),, a very real problem arises that they deny exists (freezing winter temperatures) and they order the one group of people who are helping freely to stop!!

Here you have homeless people freezing in the cold, no one is suppose to be freezing in the cold because the socialists say the earth is melting from global warming!!! Cold is not suppose to exist!!!

They mock Christians! They attack the church! Here Christians are opening their doors to offer warmth and a bed for free to the homeless,, doing it cheaper and better and with real compassion and the state orders them to stop!!


TOPICS: Activism; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: charity; churchandstate; churchvsstate; nannystate

1 posted on 11/23/2008 6:07:17 AM PST by freemike
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To: freemike

The Church is a threat to the state. Competition for allegiance.


2 posted on 11/23/2008 6:09:10 AM PST by all the best
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To: freemike
NEW YORK (CBS) ― City officials have ordered 22 New York churches to stop providing beds to homeless people.... "We really don't want people sleeping on the streets, on grates, on church steps. We want people sleeping in beds," said Homeless Commissioner Robert Hess. Wha???
3 posted on 11/23/2008 6:09:15 AM PST by omega4179 (Pardon Ramos and Compean, Mr Bush.)
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To: freemike
Here is the story,,, sometimes I am such a moron before my coffee! I didn't post the story!!

NYC Churches Ordered Not To Shelter Homeless NEW YORK (CBS) ― City officials have ordered 22 New York churches to stop providing beds to homeless people. With temperatures well below freezing early Saturday, the churches must obey a city rule requiring faith-based shelters to be open at least five days a week -- or not at all. Arnold Cohen, president of the Partnership for the Homeless, a nonprofit that serves as a link with the city, said he had to tell the churches they no longer qualify. He said hundreds of people now won't have a place to sleep. The Department of Homeless Services said the city offers other shelters with the capacity to accept all those who have been sleeping in the churches. The city had 8,000 beds waiting."linktostory

4 posted on 11/23/2008 6:12:41 AM PST by freemike
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To: freemike; all the best
The Church is a threat to the state. Competition for allegiance.

That does seem to be part of the issue. The city has "beds waiting," but the homeless would apparently rather stay at churches.

I wonder if the city gets extra state or federal money for each homeless-shelter bed occupied, the way schools get money from state and feds for bodies in the seats.

5 posted on 11/23/2008 6:17:33 AM PST by Tax-chick (You can run from yourself, but you won't get very far.)
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To: omega4179

The Churches should tell Bloomberg to get lost.Helping the poor and homeless is a part of their ministry.Remind that dictator of the separation of church and state clause that he’s so fond of quoting when it serves his purpose.


6 posted on 11/23/2008 6:32:07 AM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: Tax-chick
I wonder if the city gets extra state or federal money for each homeless-shelter bed occupied, the way schools get money from state and feds for bodies in the seats.

sure they do. They get to justify their budgets by saying that we filled 8000 beds and last year we only filled 4000........ so we need more money, a bigger budget and more "staff". Get it... ?

create a problem and then get paid to solve it....but never solve it so you are continually employed off the government nipple.

7 posted on 11/23/2008 6:42:17 AM PST by erman
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To: erman

Thanks for the response. I’m not surprised ... only surprised that I hadn’t thought of it sooner :-).


8 posted on 11/23/2008 6:46:05 AM PST by Tax-chick (You can run from yourself, but you won't get very far.)
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To: freemike
So this is all about the bureaucracy not filling it's quota. They need to justify their spending so they can continue to employ their cronies and receive raises and get the government to invest more in the infrastructure so they can skim even more.
9 posted on 11/23/2008 6:47:35 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: erman

I should always read the replies, I swear, everytime I do reply someone has already said it, I guess great minds really do think alike.


10 posted on 11/23/2008 6:49:03 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: freemike
...the churches must obey a city rule requiring faith-based shelters
to be open at least five days a week -- or not at all.


Sounds like a job for a good "separation of church and state"
lawyer (on the side of the churches).
I'm not a lawyer, but this sounds like a state-imposed limitation
on churches' approach to charity. In other words, the state is
trying to dictate a church policy.
If the church/synagogue/mosque ain't taking Fed/state money to
use in rendering the charity, the state should butt out!
11 posted on 11/23/2008 6:59:40 AM PST by VOA
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To: Farmer Dean

In the past the church was the main source of charity. It was local, it was voluntary, and the people who administered it took a real interest in actually helping the recipients. And if such providers “worked themselves out of a job”, then fine. When the state started to take over many of the charity functions, it was as a self serving bureaucracy. The state did not want to help those it was “helping”, the bureaucrats deliberately fostered dependence. And now anything done by the church and other faith based charities will be seen as competitors, rivals, threats to the self serving state bureaucracy.


12 posted on 11/23/2008 7:00:06 AM PST by Fred Hayek (Leftism is a mental disorder)
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To: Tax-chick
I wonder if the city gets extra state or federal money for each homeless-shelter bed occupied ...
You bet it does and this guy, "Homeless Commissioner Robert Hess" gets to keep his job. What a freakin' scam.
13 posted on 11/23/2008 7:21:42 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: freemike

Remove God from the public and society then Governments become the new god.


14 posted on 11/23/2008 7:53:59 AM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Tax-chick
I wonder if the city gets extra state or federal money for each homeless-shelter bed occupied, the way schools get money from state and feds for bodies in the seats.

I'll bet that's it.

15 posted on 11/23/2008 7:56:37 AM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: freemike

Voluntary charity is a direct threat to the State’s effort to justify taxation to pay for the very pathologies it has caused.


16 posted on 11/23/2008 8:03:00 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Liberty has few friends, many enemies, and no adequate substitute.)
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To: Farmer Dean
I don't know this for sure, but there's a very distinct possibility that these "voluntary," "charitable," "religious" organizations are actually getting some kind of government money in one for or another.

This never would have occurred to me until I read a controversial California court decision some time ago -- in which it was explained very clearly why Catholic Charities isn't a "religious" organization in any sense of the term.

17 posted on 11/23/2008 9:43:19 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: freemike

Maybe the homeless feel safer sleeping in a church than at a government-run hostel.


18 posted on 11/23/2008 12:36:55 PM PST by informavoracious (It's after midnight, I'm FReepwalking...)
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To: VOA

It’s like ordering someone to not bring a stranger in from the cold.


19 posted on 11/23/2008 1:53:55 PM PST by freemike
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