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To: Natchez Hawk
Puritanism, Calvinism, and countless heresies have seen a rise and fall that have brought so much calamity to humanity.

Where did that anger come from, Natchez Hawk? The original post identifies men who abused the office of the Pope, and you're attacking as heretical those who follow Christ differently from the way you do? "Calamity"?

So you *do* argue that the Popes are infallible, without sin? Or do you agree with history that some of them were corrupt men?

25 posted on 10/15/2008 11:55:29 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Theo

Of course some of them were corrupt. All men are.

But the disappearance of Calvinism and Puritanism as paths that people follow show that ideas can be corrupt as well.


31 posted on 10/15/2008 12:02:16 PM PDT by Natchez Hawk (Haider was drunk, How does that fit with your stupid conspiracy?)
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To: Theo
So you *do* argue that the Popes are infallible, without sin?

If you don't know what the word infallible means, why do you use it?

33 posted on 10/15/2008 12:03:43 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Theo

Your misunderstanding of “papal infallibility” negates your question. No one argues Popes are without sin.


35 posted on 10/15/2008 12:05:17 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: Theo
So you *do* argue that the Popes are infallible, without sin?

This is the main inspiration for posts such as the OP: the mistaken belief that "infallibility"="impeccability", which it does not.

Each and every (honest) Catholic will admit that there have been plenty of sinful popes throughout the centuries, some maybe even in Hell. This fact should make one wonder then, "How can Catholics admit that, yet still believe the pope can be infallible?"

Unless one believes all Catholics are insane, then one must realize that there's a difference between "infallible" and "impeccable". The former is Catholic dogma, the latter is not. The former means, in Catholic dogma, that the pope is protected from making a mistake when teaching about matters of morals and faith, and no other time. It does *not* mean that the pope is guaranteed from being sinless; that's what "impeccable" means.

All of this has been explained before. But that doesn't stop the old canard of Boetner's "Roman Catholicism" being posted again and again from time to time, in different forms. Why it doesn't, I don't know, since it's a reasoned rebuttal to the entire OP.

36 posted on 10/15/2008 12:05:32 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Theo
So you *do* argue that the Popes are infallible, without sin?

Two different questions.

Do you equate the two?

45 posted on 10/15/2008 12:15:04 PM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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