Posted on 10/15/2008 11:17:09 AM PDT by Gamecock
Amazing that you bear false witness with such nonchalance.
Don’t twist my words, ladtx. I did not say what I believe about “infallibility of the Pope.” I’ve researched enough in my four decades of life to know what the Roman Catholic position is on that issue.
Let me ask you: Why do Roman Catholics get so upset when it’s pointed out to them that there were some pretty corrupt, sinful Popes? Why not just say, “Yes, some of the Popes were especially sinful”?
It's a secret they won't mention if you don't have the "ELECT" vanity plates.
I don’t understand what you mean by “the disappearance of Calvinism and Puritanism as paths that people follow.” Are you saying that there are no longer people alive who honor the contributions of Calvin and the Puritans? Are you saying that there are no longer any Calvinists alive?
Two different questions.
Do you equate the two?
Were there popes who were immoral individuals? Absolutely.
Did John XII sleep with his own mother? No.
Did Pope John XXIII reign from 1378-1408? Pope John XXIII died in 1963, so you tell me.
Did Gregory VII say that Popes "cannot make a mistake"? No - that's a lie as well.
And that's just a random glance at the contents of this garbage heap.
Did not know there were.
Puritans are gone, did not know Calvinism was going under a different name.
Is this vitriol against fellow Christians really necessary at a time when there are real wolves at our door in our present day and age? We are all imperfect as humans and all Christians have done some harmfull deeds among many good ones. In my opinion, those who judge their brothers with such harshnes and slander, should be very afraid of our Father come judgement day. Please pray for these bitter misguided souls.
Blessed John XXIII was a former pirate? Who are you kidding?
When you find a church on this planet without sinners, then ping us. That would be newsworthy.
Why don't you ask the person who posted the thread?
In my opinion, those who judge their brothers with such harshnes and slander, should be very afraid of our Father come judgement day.
Again, why don't you take it up with the one who posted the thread judging his brothers with such harshness and slander?
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Don’t feel bad, he posts many articles against them who do not think like he does.
**You must be over the target, you are getting lots of flak.**
Indeed. 50 plus posts of attacks, howls, protests and whining to the mods.
The Romanists are keeping this thread alive!
Indeed, it does have a certain Völkischer Beobachter flavor to it...if not Der Stürmer.
Roman Catholics define “infallible” in different ways, depending on which supports their argument at the time.
The definition of this term, according to the Catholic Encyclopedia:
“In general, exemption or immunity from liability to error or failure; in particular in theological usage, the supernatural prerogative by which the Church of Christ is, by a special Divine assistance, preserved from liability to error in her definitive dogmatic teaching regarding matters of faith and morals.”
I know that often this term is used to refer to those instances where the Pope, or when the Institution of the RCC, is making a particular kind of pronouncement, such as ex cathedra.
(A couple of these ex cathedra statements, FWIW, say that because I don’t submit to Rome, I’m unsaved: “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which no one at all can be saved” and “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”)
My point was that so many Roman Catholics get upset when anyone suggests that their Popes are sinners, and that some of them were especially sinful. They have all been fallible, and some have been especially fallible. They have made errors, committed failures.
Just like all of us.
It almost seems like Roman Catholics are threatened by the fact that their Popes are sinful, and that some were especially evil men, as though somehow that fact diminishes the sacred seat of Peter and the legitimacy of Papal procession.
And I’m sure you’re salivating and rubbing your hands together in glee.
I should have known better than to click on this thread after I just ate.
There you go, being rational again!
LOL.
That’s a lot of verbiage to evade the point: infallible does not mean “without sin.”
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