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The Popes Of Rome
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Posted on 10/15/2008 11:17:09 AM PDT by Gamecock

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To: armydoc
Them Popes were a bunch of rotten apples.

Amazing that you bear false witness with such nonchalance.

41 posted on 10/15/2008 12:11:29 PM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: ladtx

Don’t twist my words, ladtx. I did not say what I believe about “infallibility of the Pope.” I’ve researched enough in my four decades of life to know what the Roman Catholic position is on that issue.

Let me ask you: Why do Roman Catholics get so upset when it’s pointed out to them that there were some pretty corrupt, sinful Popes? Why not just say, “Yes, some of the Popes were especially sinful”?


42 posted on 10/15/2008 12:12:56 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Natchez Hawk
I know many Presbyterians, never heard them say they believe in Pre-destination, has the terminology changed?

It's a secret they won't mention if you don't have the "ELECT" vanity plates.

43 posted on 10/15/2008 12:13:12 PM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: Natchez Hawk

I don’t understand what you mean by “the disappearance of Calvinism and Puritanism as paths that people follow.” Are you saying that there are no longer people alive who honor the contributions of Calvin and the Puritans? Are you saying that there are no longer any Calvinists alive?


44 posted on 10/15/2008 12:14:37 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Theo
So you *do* argue that the Popes are infallible, without sin?

Two different questions.

Do you equate the two?

45 posted on 10/15/2008 12:15:04 PM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: count-your-change
Are these lies and misrepresentations? Living a dissolute life and selling the papal office? Popes warring for their office?

Were there popes who were immoral individuals? Absolutely.

Did John XII sleep with his own mother? No.

Did Pope John XXIII reign from 1378-1408? Pope John XXIII died in 1963, so you tell me.

Did Gregory VII say that Popes "cannot make a mistake"? No - that's a lie as well.

And that's just a random glance at the contents of this garbage heap.

46 posted on 10/15/2008 12:18:09 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Theo

Did not know there were.

Puritans are gone, did not know Calvinism was going under a different name.


47 posted on 10/15/2008 12:19:26 PM PDT by Natchez Hawk (Haider was drunk, How does that fit with your stupid conspiracy?)
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To: Theo
I didn't twist your words. You said, So you *do* argue that the Popes are infallible, without sin? And I simply said no one is arguing that the popes are without sin. They are and were human beings, subject to all the inadequacies and foibles we all are born with. You now say you know what the Roman Catholic position is on that issue, so why mistate it as you did?
48 posted on 10/15/2008 12:23:19 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

Is this vitriol against fellow Christians really necessary at a time when there are real wolves at our door in our present day and age? We are all imperfect as humans and all Christians have done some harmfull deeds among many good ones. In my opinion, those who judge their brothers with such harshnes and slander, should be very afraid of our Father come judgement day. Please pray for these bitter misguided souls.


49 posted on 10/15/2008 12:25:42 PM PDT by mgist (Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hear)
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To: Gamecock
John XXIII was described in Vicars of Christ: "He was noted as a former pirate"

Blessed John XXIII was a former pirate? Who are you kidding?

When you find a church on this planet without sinners, then ping us. That would be newsworthy.

50 posted on 10/15/2008 12:29:38 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: mgist
Is this vitriol against fellow Christians really necessary at a time when there are real wolves at our door in our present day and age?

Why don't you ask the person who posted the thread?

In my opinion, those who judge their brothers with such harshnes and slander, should be very afraid of our Father come judgement day.

Again, why don't you take it up with the one who posted the thread judging his brothers with such harshness and slander?

51 posted on 10/15/2008 12:30:21 PM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: wideawake
I have rarely seen so many lies and misrepresentations packed into so concise a piece of writing. The author rivals Alfred Rosenberg in skill.

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Don’t feel bad, he posts many articles against them who do not think like he does.

52 posted on 10/15/2008 12:34:53 PM PDT by fproy2222
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To: XeniaSt; Quix

**You must be over the target, you are getting lots of flak.**

Indeed. 50 plus posts of attacks, howls, protests and whining to the mods.

The Romanists are keeping this thread alive!


53 posted on 10/15/2008 12:36:23 PM PDT by Gamecock (Sadistic preachers don't talk about Hell.)
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To: wideawake
The author rivals Alfred Rosenberg in skill.

Indeed, it does have a certain Völkischer Beobachter flavor to it...if not Der Stürmer.

54 posted on 10/15/2008 12:38:58 PM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: ladtx; Petronski

Roman Catholics define “infallible” in different ways, depending on which supports their argument at the time.

The definition of this term, according to the Catholic Encyclopedia:

“In general, exemption or immunity from liability to error or failure; in particular in theological usage, the supernatural prerogative by which the Church of Christ is, by a special Divine assistance, preserved from liability to error in her definitive dogmatic teaching regarding matters of faith and morals.”

I know that often this term is used to refer to those instances where the Pope, or when the Institution of the RCC, is making a particular kind of pronouncement, such as ex cathedra.

(A couple of these ex cathedra statements, FWIW, say that because I don’t submit to Rome, I’m unsaved: “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which no one at all can be saved” and “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”)

My point was that so many Roman Catholics get upset when anyone suggests that their Popes are sinners, and that some of them were especially sinful. They have all been fallible, and some have been especially fallible. They have made errors, committed failures.

Just like all of us.

It almost seems like Roman Catholics are threatened by the fact that their Popes are sinful, and that some were especially evil men, as though somehow that fact diminishes the sacred seat of Peter and the legitimacy of Papal procession.


56 posted on 10/15/2008 12:45:30 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Gamecock

And I’m sure you’re salivating and rubbing your hands together in glee.


57 posted on 10/15/2008 12:49:29 PM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Petronski

I should have known better than to click on this thread after I just ate.


58 posted on 10/15/2008 12:53:44 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Theo

There you go, being rational again!

LOL.


59 posted on 10/15/2008 12:54:53 PM PDT by Quix (POL LDRS GLOBALIST QUOTES: #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: Theo

That’s a lot of verbiage to evade the point: infallible does not mean “without sin.”


60 posted on 10/15/2008 12:58:11 PM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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