Posted on 10/15/2008 11:17:09 AM PDT by Gamecock
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognise them…" Matthew 7:15-16
CORRUPTION
STEPHEN VII (896-897AD) "He dug up a Corsican predecessor, Pope Formosus (891-896), when he had been dead for over nine months…. He dressed the stinking corpse in full pontificals, placed him on the throne in the Lateran and proceeded to interrogate him personally….After being found guilty, the corpse was condemned as an anti-pope, stripped and minus the two fingers with which he had given his fake apostolic blessing, was thrown into the Tiber…." (Vicars of Christ - the Dark Side of the Papacy by Father Peter de Rosa).
SERGIUS III (904-911) Standing in his way to the throne had been Leo V, who reigned for one month before he was imprisoned by an usurper, Cardinal Christopher. Sergius had both killed. Then he exhumed his predecessor and had him beheaded, three fingers chopped off and thrown into the Tiber.
JOHN XII (955 - 963) He invented sins, it was said, that had not been known since the beginning of the world - including sleeping with his mother. John XII ran a harem in the Lateran Palace, he gambled with the offerings of pilgrims and he even toasted the devil at the high altar during the mass.
BENEDICT V (964) Described by a church historian as "the most iniquitous of all the monsters of ungodliness."
BENEDICT IX (1032-44, 1045, 1047-8) Elected pope at age eleven, he was twice driven from his position due to his participation in plunder, immorality, oppression and murder. Church historians described him as "That wretch, from the beginning of his pontificate to the end of his life, feasted on immorality," and "a demon from hell in the disguise of a priest has occupied the chair of Peter."
SIXTUS IV (1471 - 1484) This is the pope who built the Sistine Chapel in which all popes are now elected. Sixtus IV had several illegitimate sons, licensed the brothels of Rome and received a large amount of revenue for the papacy from these houses of iniquity, introduced the novel idea of selling indulgences for the dead to raise more revenue, and sanctioned the Inquisition in Castile (Spain) by issuing a bull in 1478 (in just one year - 1482 - in one city of Andalusia, 2000 "heretics" were burned as a result).
ALEXANDER VI (1492 - 1503) He was a murderer by age 12, he had 10 known illegitimate children, he was infamous for his drunken and immoral parties, he was known to have cardinals who had purchased their positions to be poisoned so that he could sell their positions again and increase his turnover. He spent a fortune in bribes to secure his own election as pope and he caused the Reformer Savonarola to be burned at the stake.
CRUELTY
The Romans papacy has been characterised by extreme cruelty in its persecution of those it deemed as heretics. In particular the Waldensians, Lollards and Albigensians were slaughtered by the forces of Rome.
In 1208 Pope Innocent III declared: "Death to the heretics!" Great privileges and rewards were promised to those who would annihilate the "heretics" and to every man who killed one of them, the assurance was given that he would attain the highest place in Heaven!
The first target of this crusade against the Albigensians was the town of Begiers. All it's inhabitants were killed and all the buildings burned. The monk leading this slaughter, Arnold, reported back to Innocent III "Today, Your Holiness, twenty thousand citizens were put to the sword, regardless of age or sex."
In Bram the papal soldiers cut off the noses and gouged out the eyes of the Albigensian "heretics".
In Minerve, 140 Albigensians were burned alive.
In Lavaure 400 "heretics" were burned at the stake.
In response, Innocent III praised the papal soldiers who had destroyed the heretics.
The successor of Innocent III, Pope Gregory IX established the Inquisition in 1232. For over 600 years, spanning the reigns of over 80 popes, the Inquisition tortured and killed tens of thousands of Protestants including the Waldensians, Hussites, Lollards and Huguenots.
CONTRADICTION
Pope Gregory VII (1073-85) declared that "The Pope cannot make a mistake".
The First Vatican Council (1869-70) under Pope Pius IX raised the Dogma of Papal infallibility to become the official teaching of Roman Catholicism adding the usual anathema upon all who dared to disagree:
"But if anyone ….presume to contradict this assertion, let him be accused."
Yet between 1378 to 1408 there were first two popes and then three! Gregory XII reigned from Rome, Benedict XIII from Avignon and John XXIII from Pisa.
John XXIII was described in Vicars of Christ: "He was noted as a former pirate, pope-poisoner, mass-murderer, mass-fornicator…, adulterer on a scale unknown outside fables, simoniac par excellence, blackmailer, pimp, master of dirty tricks."
Yet John XXIII accused his rival pope Benedict XIII of being "a Fake" and Gregory XII he nicknamed "Mistake"!
Pope Pius IX, who at the First Vatican Council (1869 - 1870) caused the dogma of Papal Infallibility to become the official teaching of Roman Catholicism, also issued an edict permitting "excommunication, confiscation, banishment, imprisonment for life, as well as secret execution in heinous cases."
At the First Vatican Council, Bishop Strossmayer (himself a papist) gave a speech arguing against papal infallibility. He pointed out: "Gregory I calls anyone anti-Christ who takes the name of Universal Bishop; and contrawise Boniface III made Emperor Phocas confer that title upon him. Paschal II and Eugenius III authorised duelling; Julius II and Pins IV forbad it. Hadrian II declared civil magistrates to be valid; Pius VII condemned them. Sixtus V published an edition of the Bible and recommended it to be read; Pius VII condemned the reading of the Bible."
It could also be noted that while one (supposedly infallible) pope, Eugene IV (1431 - 1447), condemned Joan of Arc as a heretic to be burned alive, another pope, Benedict XV, in 1920, declared her to be a saint and her burning a mistake.
Yet the Dogma of Papal Infallibility declares that when a pope speaks ex cathedra his words are "as infallible as if it had been uttered by Christ Himself!"
In plain contradiction to this "papal infallibility" is the Bible. The apostle Peter (from whom all popes claim their succession) never suggested that he was infallible. Indeed in his first general epistle Peter described himself simply as "an elder" and he exhorted his "fellow elders" not to act as "lords over those entrusted to you" (1 Peter 5:1-3).
Paul records in Galatians 2:11 "But when Peter had come to Antioch I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed…" Plainly Paul did not see Peter as infallible. Also Peter was married (Mark 1:30; 1 Corinthians 9:5). Indeed a requirement of a church leader is that he is married and bring up his children in the faith (1 Timothy 3:4-5).
The Lord Jesus taught: "You know that the rulers of the gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them. Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave - just as the Son of Man did not come to be served but to serve…" Matthew 20:25-28
Jesus taught that no one is good - except God alone (Mark 10:18) and we are to call no-one on earth Father - God alone is our spiritual Father. How then can any pope be called "his Holiness" or "Holy Father"! The term Holy Father is only used once in the Bible and it is clearly addressed to God the Father in Christ's prayer (John 17:11).
It is no wonder that when Archbishop Thomas Cranmer was about to be burned at the stake, on 21 March 1556, he declared: "As for the pope, I refuse him as Christ's enemy, and Anti-Christ, with all his false doctrines."
In the words of Martin Luther: "Unless I am convinced by Scripture or clear reasoning that I am in error - for popes and councils have often erred and contradicted themselves - I cannot recant for I am subject to the Scriptures I have quoted. My conscience is captive to the Word of God. It is unsafe and dangerous to do anything against one's conscience. Here I stand. I cannot do otherwise. So help me God. Amen."
Sources: Vicars of Christ - the Dark Side of the Papacy by Father Peter de Rosa, Corgi Books, London, 1989
Roman Catholicism by Loraine Boetner, Banner of Truth, London, 1966
The Pope by Ian Brown, Londonderry, 1991
Then you missed “I’m up for give and take but I won’t be called a liar!
End of discussion.”
Pierre Cauchon claimed jurisdiction over Joan of Arc because his English allies captured her in Compiegne in his diocese.
However, as a Catholic from Domremy, she was entitled to demand that she be tried in her own local ordinary's court - which would have resulted most likely in a controversy over canonical jurisdiction which would have to be resolved by a higher authority, likely Rome.
Cauchon ignored canon law and proceeded to preside over a trial for which he had no legally established jurisdiction.
The Pope had no role in her conviction or execution - when he learned of what happened he overturned the verdict and leveled canonical charges against Cauchon, who refused to answer them and fled his diocese to take refuge in English-controlled territory.
The entire trial of Joan of Arc was conducted against canon law and without the Pope's permission.
I never called you a liar.
If you want to pretend I did to avoid addressing the argument, go ahead. But it's a cop-out.
Nope. You're just as dead.
No response to this, hmmm??
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Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."
only if it is the cartoon guy whose name we cannot speak, any other anti-Catholic screed is allowed to stand even when it cannot stand on reasoning and evinces nothing but lies and hate, sans the cartoon.
Really, LOL, isn’t that par for the course?
from #94 So you really can’t say Gregory didn’t or did write this Dictatus Papae and you certainly can’t say a secretary wrote it.
So where are the “lies”?
From #96 If you’re going to claim that “Gregory VII said”, then you need to have hard evidence, or you’re lying.
NOW....end of discussion and insults.
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You hit that nail directly on the head.
I left this thread and went to the readings and just thought I would post this. Sound familiar?
Gospel
Lk 11:47-54
The Lord said:
“Woe to you who build the memorials of the prophets
whom your fathers killed.
Consequently, you bear witness and give consent
to the deeds of your ancestors,
for they killed them and you do the building.
Therefore, the wisdom of God said,
‘I will send to them prophets and Apostles;
some of them they will kill and persecute’
in order that this generation might be charged
with the blood of all the prophets
shed since the foundation of the world,
from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah
who died between the altar and the temple building.
Yes, I tell you, this generation will be charged with their blood!
Woe to you, scholars of the law!
You have taken away the key of knowledge.
You yourselves did not enter and you stopped those trying to enter.”
When Jesus left, the scribes and Pharisees
began to act with hostility toward him
and to interrogate him about many things,
for they were plotting to catch him at something he might say.
I have read no convincing evidence it was ever established by God Almighty vs by a band of militarily supported political bureaucrats and power mongers 300-400 years after Christ.
Regardless . . .
Set up the Mosaic Priesthood . . . and various kings . . .
and JUST AS CLEARLY, REPEATEDLY withdrew HIS ANOINTING, HIS MANDATE
and trashed, KILLED, REMOVED the people, heirs, their leadership, reign etc.
The MOST HIGHLY ARROGANT ASSUMPTION, HERESY, NONSENSE, HIDIOUSNESS
THAT God has continued to bless and in any major way continue to 'primarily work through'
Any notion that the Vatican
or ANY OTHER
human religious organization has continued purely operating in the center of God's will long after their founding
is laughable, pathetic delusion, falsehood, horrific deception on the face of it.
God is increasingly cleaning up His Church Universal . . . some religious organizations/churches will be trashed wholesale/left out in the increasingly deadly cold away from GOD'S ANOINTING, PROVISION, PROTECTION, LEADING . . . most likely to be sucked up in the satanic global government in some form or other, if they continue to exist at all.
Some CONGREGATIONS in most Christian organizations will fall by the wayside and some will go on to be purified more and more and stand tall as beacons of righteousness regardless of what happens as a whole with the parent organization.
Some very few Christian organizations may as a whole be purified by God's cleansing and refiner's fires. Such could probably be counted on one or at the most two hands.
Within congregations, individuals will be sifted sorely. Those unwilling to give all and focus wholesale on God as their utmost Priority and on His Spirit's guidance and ways . . . will fall by the wayside.
There will be no exceptions.
He must do it.
We cannot.
We MUST be willing and cooperative.
Rebellion & idolatry will be death sentences. Deception and game playing will be merely different faces of rebellion and/or idolatry.
Rationalizations will not work.
Rituals will not work.
Traditions will not work.
Hierarchy will be of no avail.
Bureaucracy will be of no avail.
Magicstericals will be of no avail.
Structure will not work.
Past glories will be of no avail.
Rationalizations will be of no avail.
History will be of no avail.
Human or organizational Status will be of no avail.
Numbers will be of no avail.
Human opinions will be of no avail.
Bargaining will be of no avail.
All chaff, wood, hay, stubble will be consumed by the Fire of His cleansing Spirit. All that can be shaken will be shaken to destruction.
God will likely be merciful to those of earnest hearts authentically seeking Him--and who have been merciful. However, folks holding themselves out in any sort of leadership positions will most definitely be tested seriously . . . particularly along the lines of their own judgments and pronouncements as well as Scripture.
Human structures and organizations will be amongst the first things to go; be shredded; rendered kaput, ineffectual, trash heaps.
HIS ORGANIZATION will be a flowing, spontaneous, creative, temporary/eternal symphonic dance of His Spirit Who will Blow Where HE wishes, How HE wishes, When HE wishes, Where He wishes, as long or short as HE wishes . . . carrying those truly filled with HIS SPIRIT along with Him as He wills and as they wholeheartedly focus on HIM and cooperate with HIM.
Let the Spirit-filled Body of Christ hereon judge the above words as whether they be of God, or not.
IF they are, mocking is ill-advised. The spiritual trash-heap has no limits to it's size.
This from the introduction to Cowdrey’s book, Pope Gregory VII, 1073-1085, page 502,
“Since the dictatus papae has a place in what is almost certainly the original register of the papal chancery, its authnticity as a document emanating from, and almost certainly drafted by, Gregory himself cannot be seriously questioned”.
Supposedly the death machinery at the camps is already engineered to be quite efficient . . . time in barracks will supposedly be kept to a minimum.
What an excellent, God ordained Scripture to preface my post following.
Thanks.
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