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To: Between the Lines
Please don't shoot me, this is an honest request! --

I see a similarity between this and the Mormon practice of baptizing for the dead which was brought up here a few days ago. In each case it seems one person is taking an action which (in their religious belief) will have some effect upon another in the afterlife. Could a kind Catholic please tell this Catholic-belief-challenged evangelical where this practice comes from, because I am not aware of it in the bible. And if it comes from tradition, that's OK, I just want to be better informed.

4 posted on 09/18/2008 11:57:46 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

If I read the article correctly - this priest is Anglican not Catholic.
Personally, being a Catholic, I still would have appreciated the prayers and annointing.


6 posted on 09/18/2008 12:06:48 PM PDT by MudPuppy (St Michael Protect Us!)
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To: ZGuy; Between the Lines
I don't know anything about the Mormon practice, so I can't make an informed comparison.

Catholics do not baptise the dead, nor administer any Sacrament to the dead. However, there are two aspects to consider: first, when death seems likely or imminent; and second, after death.

The Last Rites, which generally include Confession for those who are able, Communion for the Dying (called "Viaticum"), and Anointing of the Sick, are for the living who have been baptized and who are thus able to request and receive these Sacraments. If it is unknown whether a person is already dead or perhaps moments away from death, a simple blessing might be used, which is what this priest apparently did. He would have had no way of knowing for sure whether their souls had departed from their bodies.

On the other hand, if the person is already dead, we can still pray for their soul. This is because, as the Church teaches, all believers -- whether living on this earth, or departed ---are members of the Body of Christ, and thus have a living connection with each other.

We believe that nothing can separate us from the love of Christ, and nothing separates us from the love of each other in Christ. We still love people and care for them and pray for them, and they still love us, care for us and pray for us. In other words, we have a communion with each other --- called the "Communion of Saints" --- which is not broken by death.

All of this is through Christ, with Him, and in Him. We love people forever, not just until they die.

In term of Biblical references, in 2 Maccabees 12:43-46 it says this:

"[After the battle, Judas Maccabeus] sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection.

(For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead),

And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them.

It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins."

This illustrates the practice of praying for the dead under the old law, which was then strictly observed by the Jews of the Maccabee's time.

And of course, the Epistles of Paul are full of teachings that we are all living members of one Body, and that this spiritual relationship is stronger than death.

10 posted on 09/18/2008 12:29:17 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: ZGuy
Oh,. I see now that the priest was Anglican, not Catholic.

Doesn't make a difference, really. Anglicans, Catholics, and Orthodox ---and many others --- would share these beliefs. In fact, the big majority of all Christians over the past 2,000 would have these same beliefs.

13 posted on 09/18/2008 12:34:08 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: ZGuy

Last Rites is one of the Catholic sacraments if that helps any. Though they say this priest was Anglican.


14 posted on 09/18/2008 12:37:09 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: ZGuy

He was anglican...


16 posted on 09/18/2008 12:53:54 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: ZGuy

This is the administration of the Annointng of the Sick — a Sacrament. It is given to the living, not the dead.

The dead can be prayed for, but there is no baptism or sacrament after they die. At the moment of their death, (the particular judgment, is what Catholics call it.) they meet Jesus. No time for anything then.


39 posted on 09/18/2008 9:25:54 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ZGuy; NYer
Here is some background information on Catholic beliefs posted by NYer.

A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 19: The Seven Sacraments

The Sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick used to be called Extreme Unction.

A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 27: The Sacrament of Extreme Unction

40 posted on 09/18/2008 9:29:10 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ZGuy

This priest was not a Catholic priest. I believe he was an Anglican priest.


52 posted on 09/19/2008 11:04:32 AM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: ZGuy

I don’t know anything about the Mormon practice, so I can’t make an informed comparison.

Catholics do not baptize the dead, nor administer any Sacrament to the dead. However, there are two aspects to consider: first, when death seems likely or imminent; and second, after death.

The Last Rites, which generally include Confession for those who are able, Communion for the Dying (called “Viaticum”), and Anointing of the Sick, are for the living who have been baptized and who are thus able to request and receive these Sacraments. If it is unknown whether a person is already dead or perhaps moments away from death, a simple blessing might be used, which is what this priest apparently did. He would have had no way of knowing for sure whether their souls had departed from their bodies.

On the other hand, if the person is already dead, we can still pray for their soul. This is because, as the Church teaches, all believers — whether living on this earth, or departed -—are members of the Body of Christ, and thus have a living connection with each other.

We believe that nothing can separate us from the love of Christ, and nothing separates us from the love of each other in Christ. We still love people and care for them and pray for them, and they still love us, care for us and pray for us. In other words, we have a communion with each other -— called the “Communion of Saints” -— which is not broken by death.

All of this is through Christ, with Him, and in Him. We love people forever, not just until they die.

In term of Biblical references, in 2 Maccabees 12:43-46 it says this:

“[After the battle, Judas Maccabeus] sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection.

(For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead),

And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them.

It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.”

This illustrates the practice of praying for the dead under the old law, which was then strictly observed by the Jews of the Maccabees’ time.

And of course, the Epistles of Paul are full of teachings that we are all living members of one Body, and that this spiritual relationship is stronger than death.


95 posted on 08/16/2015 12:48:15 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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