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Krebs replied, "I would say that as long as Senator Biden's stated position on abortion remains the same then it would apply to Senator Biden whether he was a Senator or the Vice President of any type of public figure."

Biden will become even more pro-abort now.

1 posted on 08/26/2008 4:10:55 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 08/26/2008 4:13:12 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 08/26/2008 4:13:55 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Biden can’t get much more pro-abort. This whole thing - the selection of Biden - was staged as a challenge to the Church in this country. If the bishops fail us now - for example, by not forbidding Communion to Biden until he repents and accepts the teachings of the Church - the Catholic future is going to be bleak. If the bishops give in now, they will have revealed that neither local authorities nor Rome have any power, and that the authorites do not believe what they claim to believe and the orthodox laypeople are ignored, and therefore, that the State can impose whatever it wants on the Church.

Bishops, please wake up!


4 posted on 08/26/2008 4:19:49 PM PDT by livius
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This is so exciting to see Biden’s bishop speaking out. God bless him.


6 posted on 08/26/2008 4:34:23 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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7 posted on 08/26/2008 5:15:13 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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8 posted on 08/26/2008 5:16:19 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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Krebs replied, "I would say that as long as Senator Biden's stated position on abortion remains the same then it would apply to Senator Biden whether he was a Senator or the Vice President of any type of public figure."

Hoo-ah bump!!!

9 posted on 08/26/2008 5:20:16 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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Pelosi stirred up a hornets nest with her challenge of the Church doctrine.

I think they would have remained relatively quiet during the election (except for issues).

Pelosi comments made it into a challenge the Church could not take on.

10 posted on 08/26/2008 5:21:19 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E. That spells free. freerepublic.com baby)
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I heard Bishop Saltarelli speaking earlier this morning.

He was so calm in tone, but the words would have scared the dickens out of me, if they had been addresses towards me.

Which upon reflection was his whole point.

12 posted on 08/26/2008 5:25:50 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E. That spells free. freerepublic.com baby)
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13 posted on 08/26/2008 5:30:29 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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**Wrote the Bishop: “No one today would accept this statement from any public servant: ‘I am personally opposed to human slavery and racism but will not impose my personal conviction in the legislative arena.’ Likewise, none of us should accept this statement from any public servant: ‘I am personally opposed to abortion but will not impose my personal conviction in the legislative arena.’”**

Excellent point!


14 posted on 08/26/2008 5:48:03 PM PDT by chase19
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17 posted on 08/26/2008 6:02:20 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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Our Lady's Warriors.Dissent>Speakers and Authors

Abortion and Euthanasia

Sen. Joseph Biden (D-DE) Catholic politician who votes for abortion in contradiction to Church teachings. One of American Life League's "Deadly Dozen."

18 posted on 08/26/2008 6:03:11 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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I'm tellin' ya, the pope put a buzz in the ears of the American bishops when he was here recently, and "recommended" that they crack down on these "Catholic" politicians like Pelosi, Biden and the rest. Can't prove it. But I'm certain of it. What a turnaround in these guys! Pretty soon, nearly all of them will have spines that can show up in a x-ray!
21 posted on 08/26/2008 9:10:02 PM PDT by magisterium
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"Our Catholic institutions will not honor Catholic politicians who take pro-abortion legislative positions or invite them to speak at our functions or schools."

I applaud the Bishop. The church's teaching must be clear. And it is wrong to have politicians who so gravely oppose church teaching speak at Catholic schools. It leads everyone to believe the church approves of that politician, even though his disagreement with the church is an extremely serious matter, that puts his soul in jeopardy.

Furthermore, it makes me furious when such politicians speak at any Catholic institution. I have been in attendance at several of these functions.

Biden well knows he takes a position, and takes action to further the position, his church is strongly opposed to. And at least there is clarity between he and the Catholic Church Representative, his bishop. I'm sure he understands why the bishop won't allow him to speak at Catholic schools. It is doubtful it will make him anymore pro-abortion.

Now if only we could stop Biden from using the church he doesn't really believe in, to gain voter support and votes.

22 posted on 08/26/2008 11:11:30 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Proud Catholic supporter of Governor Mitt Romney for VP and future President of the United States!)
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BTW, I’m going to call the Bishop and thank him. He is a breath of fresh air.


23 posted on 08/26/2008 11:12:49 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Proud Catholic supporter of Governor Mitt Romney for VP and future President of the United States!)
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Somethin's a-happenin' here folks. I'm convinced of it. This outburst of episcopal assertiveness which we've witnessed over the past several days has come completely out of the blue and is in such contrast to previous timidity and silence. This can only be due to Divine grace.

Call me nuts but I believe that the Holy Spirit is at work here and I believe it is because we've flushed out the homosexuals from the seminaries and priesthood. Well maybe not totally but we've certainly flushed a large number as a result of the abuse scandals. I believe this cancer on the priesthood was a huge impediment to the dispensation of grace in the Catholic Church in this country and was the cause of so many of our problems.

I think we're now starting to see the fruits of that painful but so necessary house cleaning which has been taking place over the last several years and while I'm on a roll, let me also say that I believe the freeing up of the Tridentine Mass may also have contributed to what I can only call an "outpouring of grace" on our bishops.

Long may it continue.

They are now actually starting to resemble.....*gasp*.........shepherds!!

28 posted on 08/27/2008 7:22:25 AM PDT by marshmallow (An infallible Bible is useless without an infallible interpreter.)
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In the document, Bishop Saltarelli does not rule out refusing communion to pro-abortion politicians but does say that he much prefers "active engagement and dialogue". He notes that he does not expect priests and others administering communion to withhold it from politicians. "That is ultimately my responsibility,"

What a cop-out! The Catholic dogma of Immaculate Conception leaves no room for such maneuvering. It is clear that God bestowd grace on Blessed Mary at the moment of her conception. Surely the Bishop doesn't think God bestows grace on creatures without human soul!

And that which has human soul is human! Judging from the dogma he is supposed to uphold and believe in, Mary was human at the moment of her conception. There is no wiggle room left here for any Catholic, lay or otherwise.

If the apostles relied on dialogue there would be no Christianity. Luke-warm is a profoundly Vatican II "tradition." It was unknown to the Church for almost 2,000 years.

29 posted on 08/27/2008 7:53:20 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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"Our Catholic institutions will not honor Catholic politicians who take pro-abortion legislative positions or invite them to speak at our functions or schools."

But they can keep the honor of calling themselves Catholic because merely supporting abortion by vote and voice isn't a sufficient reason to be excommunicated.

31 posted on 08/27/2008 8:46:12 AM PDT by e.Shubee
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The article is vague and fails to point out that Saltarelli is no longer Biden's bishop. The new Bishop of Wilmington is William Francis Malooly who was appointed on July 7, 2008. Saltarelli is now the Bishop Emeritus of Wilmington.
33 posted on 08/27/2008 11:23:28 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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