Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat (RICK WARREN, RICHARD ABANES, KEN SILVA)

Christian NewsWire ^ | 7-28-08 | pastor dustin segers

[Manfred the Wonder Dawg]

It is sad. Too many professing saints of the living God are asleep regarding spiritual Truth, trusting sinful man to lead them without checking the Scriptures to see if they be led rightly. In the end, such will be without excuse.

[padre35]

Exactly, why what the Warrenites are teaching is not looked at through a Biblical Lense (or backstop) leaves well meaning people wide open to being led along the wide road.

IMO that is very dangerous for them.

[L,TOWM]

Seems he’s gone overboard in his slander against other Christians.

If the author of the blog had some harsh things to say about Abanes and Warren, then he certainly was not slandering CHRISTIANS.

[jan in Colorado]

Thank you so much for posting the article (which I have now safely saved) so we can all read it!

[jan in Colorado]

“main area of focus” – AIDS, poverty, human rights and environment.

WHAT??? These aren't Christians or most Americans main areas of focus or concern.

This is the new "religion" and Rick Warren is the false prophet leading the way!

[jan in Colorado]

Have you seen this?

[Gamecock]

YBPDLN ping List Ping

Thanks to Terriergal and Jan in CO for bringing this to my attention.

[444Flyer]

I have witnessed firsthand the fruit of the PDL movement. Weak willed, milk not meat, watered down, compromising with sin, self-focused rather than Christ-focused Christians at best...and at worst, non-believers who attend the churches because they are “non-offensive” and it makes them feel good to go to “church” and being deceived that they are right with the Lord because of this.

I have a friend I have been witnessing to for years, who started attending a PDL church because, as he says, they never talk about sin and the services are a lot of fun. As I continue to share the gospel and the need to repent of our sins and turn to Christ for forgiveness, he just says “I like my church's message better.”...sigh...(This is the same church that on Sundays will occasionally have cars from dealerships parked out front with sales stickers advertising the cars and dealership like they do at Costco. We have some friends who left the church because of this practice.) I'm sure everyone can share similar stories and experiences.

2 Peter 3:14-18

[TommyDale]

I have personally witness destruction of congregations from this movement. Not to mention that I was summarily dismissed from my local church because I refused to drink the koolaid.

I highly recommend James Sundquist’s book, “Who’s Driving The Purpose Driven Church?” to anyone who has not read it yet.

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

Thanks for answering I know many here swear by his research!

Resty, i think you're confusing Richard Abanes with pollster George Barna.

Barna is a member of Willow Creek church in the Chicago area. Abanes is/was a 'worship leader' at Saddleback Church in California.

Easy to make the confusion, the churches are similar in all of the wrong ways.

[restornu]

%Calvinist_Dark_Lord;Terriergal

My awareness of Richard Abanes is from those here on FR that like to use RA books to bash the LDS!

nice to hear from CDL

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

Never read any of his books.

[Terriergal]

well I have issues with the LDS but yeah interesting that he can publish stuff like that but can’t take it when someone publishes something that picks HIM apart.

[Terriergal]

other books

“Redefining Christianity: Understanding the Purpose Driven Movement” by Bob DeWaay

“Ashamed of the Gospel” by John Macarthur

“More than a Purpose” by Marshall Davis

“Driven Away By Purpose” by Daniel Chew

“Deceived on Purpose” by Warren Smith

that’s off the top of my head.

[Terriergal]

No problem.

What I don’t understand is how Chris Rosebrough can turn the tables on Abanes and threaten him, but then accept Abanes’ non-apology and now everything is hunky dory between them (well, according to Abanes).

http://richardabanes.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/lawsuit-response-abanes-to-chris-rosebrough/

[Terriergal]

Even Lewis had his shortcomings.

You should check out some of the articles at cicministry.org and see what you think of those. I think he’s pretty good.

[Terriergal]

why do no conservative candidates get invited to Saddleback? OH I forgot....the conservative candidates are kept hidden in the closet.

[Terriergal]

Isn’t that what most blogs are for? Is Ken allowed to publish his own viewpoint?

For example: “I think you have engaged in libel and defamation with that post, therefore you should be sued.” Is that constitutional?

[444Flyer]

I have Bob DeWaay’s book and it is very educational. He is also writing a book exposing the heresy of the Emergent Church movement that should be good. Talk about your good researchers, he really dots his i’s and crosses his t’s.

I met Bob and he is one of the most humble soft spoken Brothers I’ve ever met. His whole goal is to open people’s eyes and uphold the name of Christ and solid Biblical doctrine. Wish there were more of him in our churches today.

[Terriergal]

Hear hear!