Resty, i think you're confusing Richard Abanes with pollster George Barna.
Barna is a member of Willow Creek church in the Chicago area. Abanes is/was a 'worship leader' at Saddleback Church in California.
Easy to make the confusion, the churches are similar in all of the wrong ways.
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My awareness of Richard Abanes is from those here on FR that like to use RA books to bash the LDS!
nice to hear from CDL