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Popular notions, Bible clash over heaven
Baptist Press ^ | July 17, 2008 | Norm Miller

Posted on 07/18/2008 6:46:18 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

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1 posted on 07/18/2008 6:46:18 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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If you aren’t redeemed according to the Baptists, you’re going to fry in hell for all of eternity. Nice message /s


2 posted on 07/18/2008 6:51:03 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Alex Murphy

*** “God will somehow understand in the end that we were pretty good people, and based on our overall behavior He should let us into heaven.” ***

Pelagius would be proud.


3 posted on 07/18/2008 6:52:11 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: Moonman62

Nope. That’s according to Christ.


4 posted on 07/18/2008 6:53:08 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: Alex Murphy

Does it truly hurt Christianity if Ronald Reagan used the words from a poem in memorializing national heroes? I can understand the greater point, but still...


5 posted on 07/18/2008 6:53:15 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama is hiding something about his birth, parents or name- but what?)
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To: Moonman62
If you aren’t redeemed according to the Baptists, you’re going to fry in hell for all of eternity.

I've got some news for you:
1) I'm not a Baptist.
2) If you aren’t redeemed, you’re going to fry in hell for all of eternity.

6 posted on 07/18/2008 6:53:22 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Moonman62
If you aren’t redeemed according to the Baptists, you’re going to fry in hell for all of eternity.

You say that like the baptists are the ones that came up with that doctrine. Obviously, that isn't true. That doctrine comes straight from the Bible.
7 posted on 07/18/2008 6:54:15 AM PDT by JamesP81 (George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a suggestion)
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Amen. Being focused on the world is dangerous. Too many evangelicals see lost man as their primary focus, rather than Christ Jesus. This results in church becoming a haven for spiritually dead people, with the saints being droned into submission or departing for a true church. Worldlings invite other worldlings to entertaining event-driven religious meetings, all the while convincing one another that they are approved in the Lord. Spurgeon said, “If your religion does not make you holy it will damn you to hell.”

The church must first and foremost focus on the Lord. It’s primary mission on Earth is to disciple saints of God so they are equipped to go and proclaim Christ to those who are perishing.


8 posted on 07/18/2008 6:55:29 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
invite other worldlings to entertaining event-driven religious meetings

But how else can we get the lost into the church!?! < sarc>

Has anyone out there actually thought about the possibility that the worldliness we are told to avoid might just mean during worship?

9 posted on 07/18/2008 7:00:18 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: JamesP81; colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; ...

Ping


10 posted on 07/18/2008 7:02:38 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Tagline on vacation during the grand experiment.)
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To: Moonman62
If you aren’t redeemed according to the Baptists, you’re going to fry in hell for all of eternity. Nice message /s

Not a Baptist message, but a Scriptural one.

Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is enternal life.

Romans 5:8 - But God commended his love toward us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him "I am the way the truth and the life; no man cometh to the Father but by me."

11 posted on 07/18/2008 7:02:57 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: JamesP81

Baptists, historically, have had to back-to-back distinctives that are noteworthy:

a) Individual soul liberty;
b) the priesthood of the believer.

Baptists who understand their Bibles and their heritage are not likely to make a statement that implies that there is any such thing as a Baptist redemption. Baptists don’t believe that they have any corner on redemption or salvation. They don’t believe that being a member of their churches is either pre-requisite to, or sustaining of, salvation. Baptists don’t believe that water baptism (by any mode) can save, can keep one saved, or contribute to salvation.

Baptists don’t believe in a “Baptist way” to Christ or to the soul’s salvation. They do believe that there is a Bible way, and that is a Person, Christ Himself in the virtue of His Blood Sacrifice (for our sins) and Resurrection (for our justification). (Romans 8:3; 4:25; etc.)


12 posted on 07/18/2008 7:07:18 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: Moonman62

“If you aren’t redeemed according to the Baptists, you’re going to fry in hell for all of eternity. Nice message /s”

I think they actually read that somewhere...


13 posted on 07/18/2008 7:08:02 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Gamecock
Has anyone out there actually thought about the possibility that the worldliness we are told to avoid might just mean during worship?

Yes, just the other day when I attended a rock concert (Journey, Heart, and Cheap Trick) I was struck that the crowd was reacting much the same way as some of the worshippers I see at the new Evangelical Churches I attend. - - Enraptured, swaying back and forth, arms raised in the air.

I think we need to remember it isn't the music, but the Lord we worship.

14 posted on 07/18/2008 7:08:17 AM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Moonman62
If you aren’t redeemed according to the Baptists, you’re going to fry in hell for all of eternity. Nice message /s

You'd better believe it.

15 posted on 07/18/2008 7:09:47 AM PDT by Watershed
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To: JamesP81

no, the doctrine didnt ‘come from the bible’, it came from Christ’s mouth to his apostles, they in turn preached it, and wrote in their letters to the various churches to their appointed bishops and priests to preach it....after that that one holy catholic and apostolic church preserved those writings and under the guide of the holy spirit, brought together the books that became the bible, and preserved that for future generations.


16 posted on 07/18/2008 7:10:01 AM PDT by raygunfan
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So what about people, past and present who have never had the opportunity to hear of Christ? Just suppose they have never ‘sinned’, and by their nature unkbnowingly abided by the 10 commandments? Are you telling me Jesus Christ would send them to fry in Hell?

I believe Jesus is Love, not vengence and hate.


17 posted on 07/18/2008 7:11:58 AM PDT by Dudoight
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Just suppose they have never ‘sinned’, and by their nature unkbnowingly abided by the 10 commandments?

Are you familiar with all 10 commandments?

18 posted on 07/18/2008 7:14:22 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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2) If you aren’t redeemed, you’re going to fry in hell for all of eternity.

Hmm...Where do you get that idea? It's not mentioned in the Scriptures anywhere that I can find.

19 posted on 07/18/2008 7:16:01 AM PDT by Truth Defender (History teaches, if we but listen to it; but no one really listens!)
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To: JamesP81
You say that like the baptists are the ones that came up with that doctrine. Obviously, that isn't true. That doctrine comes straight from the Bible.

It does? Please tell me where you find it.

20 posted on 07/18/2008 7:17:50 AM PDT by Truth Defender (History teaches, if we but listen to it; but no one really listens!)
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