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1 posted on 07/02/2008 3:28:01 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Manfred the Wonder Dawg; HarleyD; P-Marlowe; Quix

The odour of sanctity?

What does sanctity smell like?


2 posted on 07/02/2008 3:29:54 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: Gamecock

Oh no — tell me it ain’t so, Sergio!!! There goes his halo.


3 posted on 07/02/2008 3:31:59 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Gamecock

The gift of bi-location? I think I have that gift. I can be sitting here and completely in another world.


4 posted on 07/02/2008 3:32:09 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Gamecock

Cannonization is a laborious process, and I expect that all possible objections and rejected them. Saints are not required to be perfect, in fact none were, only Christ was perfect. Popes are not infallible in their judgements, only in a few, very rare, declarations on dogma or morality.


5 posted on 07/02/2008 3:33:25 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Obama "King of Kings and Lord of Lords")
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To: Gamecock
[He] had the gift of bilocation (being in two places at once)

That gift just might come in handy where he is now.

9 posted on 07/02/2008 3:47:31 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Gamecock; NYer; Salvation; narses; Pyro7480; Petronski; big'ol_freeper; Mad Dawg; ...
When he had to submit to investigations and restrictions in his priestly ministry, he accepted everything with profound humility and resignation. In the face of unjust accusations and calumnies he remained silent, trusting always in the judgement of God, of his immediate superiors and of his own conscience.

Source: Vatican web site bio

As his spiritual influence increased, so did the voices of his detractors. Accusations against Padre Pio poured in to the Holy Office (today the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith). By June 1922, restrictions were placed on the public’s access to Padre Pio. His daily Mass time varied each day, without announcement to diminish the crowds, and he was ordered not to answer correspondence from people seeking spiritual direction. It was also rumored that plans were being developed to transfer Padre Pio. However, both local and Church authorities were afraid of public riots and decided that a more remote and isolated place than San Giovanni Rotondo could not be found.

Despite the restrictions and controversies, Padre Pio’s ministry continued. From 1924 – 1931 various statements were made by the Holy See that denied the supernaturality of Padre Pio’s phenomena. On June 9, 1931, the Feast of Corpus Christi, Padre Pio was ordered by the Holy See to desist from all activities except the celebration of the Mass, which was to be in private. By early 1933, Pope Pius XI ordered the Holy See to reverse its ban on Padre Pio’s public celebration of Mass, saying, "I have not been badly disposed toward Padre Pio, but I have been badly informed."

Padre Pio’s faculties were progressively restored. First, the confessions of men were allowed (March 25, 1934) and then women (May 12, 1934). Although he had never been examined for a preaching license, the Capuchin Minister General granted him permission to preach, honoris cuasa, and he preached several times a year. In 1939 when Pope Pius XII was elected pope, he began to encourage people to visit Padre Pio. More and more people began to make pilgrimages.

Source: EWTN Biography

The bottom line is that the controversy around Padre Pio is no new news and no great secret. This is simply another non-news libel printed by an MSM rag.

10 posted on 07/02/2008 3:50:14 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Gamecock

the Times publishes some horribly biogted anti-catholic stuff.

Its one thing to have a debate about issues, another to make assumption on headlines or unconfirmed references.

don’t waste your time on such MSM rubbish... they want christians to get at each others throats so they can go about wrecking the world even more!!


11 posted on 07/02/2008 3:50:54 AM PDT by rogernz
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To: Gamecock

And why is an article from 2007, news today?
Hmmmmm


14 posted on 07/02/2008 3:54:20 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Gamecock

These rumors dogged Pio throughout his life, and certain hostile opponents of him in the Church perpetuated these rumors against him. I read a book about him and most of them started with one obnoxious prelate in the 1920s who Padre Pio refused to denounce even though he was being slandered viciously.

The people close to Pio, truth be told, never made any of these accusations.

Also, if his stigmata were faked, why has all trace of them dissappeared from his body? He had the marks for 50 years! Thousands of people saw them or touched them. Doctors examined them. A few days before his death they were suddenly gone. If he had burned his flesh with acid, certainly there would be evidence of it on his skin.


28 posted on 07/02/2008 4:36:51 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: Gamecock

In other news...

St. John of the Cross Under Indictment!
St. Joan of Arc Heretic- Burns Tomorrow!
St Louis de Montfort Caught in Bar Room Brawl!
St. John Vianney Napoleonic Deserter!
Plus!
Exclusive Interview With St Augustine’s Secret Mistress!


35 posted on 07/02/2008 5:14:24 AM PDT by Eepsy (12-30-2008 +1)
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To: Gamecock

Just out of curiousity, why would Protestants care whether a man they believe is a fraud (that would include ALL popes) thinks someone else might be a fraud?


44 posted on 07/02/2008 6:21:59 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Gamecock
Jesus Himself was considered a fraud by many, as well. Does this fact affect your allegiance to Him? Character assassination by innuendo is a pretty low form of attack against anything, especially when the sources used are themselves generally hostile to the one using them. Or do you think the Times is particularly favorable to Christianity? If not, you and they, for the moment here, are the ultimate allies of convenience.
47 posted on 07/02/2008 6:30:43 AM PDT by magisterium
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Why are you posting a 'news' article from 2007?
50 posted on 07/02/2008 6:34:10 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: Gamecock

This article is from October 2007. Why post old “News”?


53 posted on 07/02/2008 6:40:18 AM PDT by Radl
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To: Gamecock

Read the book “Padre Pio: The True Story” by C. Bernard Ruffin, who is an American Protestant minister who investigated Padre Pio in the 1980s and interviewed many people who knew him. He concluded that Padre Pio was the real deal


57 posted on 07/02/2008 6:49:19 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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I never believed in any of the Padre Pio nonsense. Pretty easy, since I’m not a Catholic. I will grant that certain saints in the past may have exhibited true stigmata or manifested other miraculous signs, or performed other miraculous deeds, but I’ve always believed that Padre Pio was a fraud.


96 posted on 07/02/2008 8:35:49 AM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: Gamecock
Well isn't THIS just the cutest thread though!

How is it possible to say anything one way or the other about this? John XXIII could have been wrong or right. The Church says he was wrong. Unless we had access to all the proceedings, how are we going to be able to discuss who is right?

As to the attributed miracles? Why not? What kind of limits shall we put on saints? Our Lord said,"And greater things than there shall you do."

If you think Catholics are at best deluded in the major principles of their theology, you will probably think that we're deluded in thinking Padre Pio a saint. If you don't, you probably won't.

But having tasted the article a little, I'd say it has a flavor reminiscent of the Apple of Discord. It looks to me like something tossed up just so that there can be a disagreement and maybe some opportunities take little digs at one another.

As I said, cute.

167 posted on 07/02/2008 12:56:15 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Gamecock

LOL. The funny thing is that people like you only believe the opinions of the Popes when it suits your prejudice.


260 posted on 07/02/2008 6:11:26 PM PDT by Antoninus (Every second spent bashing McCain is time that could be spent helping Conservatives downticket.)
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To: Gamecock
As a faithful Catholic, I am placing this thread on

IGNORE


If you are Catholic, be aware that this thread contains slanders about the Catholic Church. We should not reward invincibly ignorant anti-Catholic bigots by engaging them in futile debate. Therefore, please do not respond to any of the lies about the Catholic Church contained on this thread.




Saint Paul pray for those who hate the Church.

261 posted on 07/02/2008 6:12:46 PM PDT by Antoninus (Every second spent bashing McCain is time that could be spent helping Conservatives downticket.)
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