Posted on 07/02/2008 3:28:00 AM PDT by Gamecock
Pope John XXIII believed Padre Pio, the hugely popular Capuchin monk who was canonised in 2002, was a fraud who had "incorrect" relations with women and whose soul was in danger....
Sergio Luzzatto...has also found documents in the Vatican archives suggesting that Padre Pio may have faked his stigmata, the marks of the wounds of Christ, with acid. Vatican officials say both allegations are already well known....
Followers of Padre Pio believe he exuded "the odour of sanctity", had the gift of bilocation (being in two places at once), healed the sick and could prophesy the future.
(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...
nonsense. And where do you get the idea that poor people aren’t allowed in Catholic Church? They don’t ask for your tax returns in order to join.
That is the 60,000 dollar question and when you know the answer, for sure, I’d appreciate if you would let me know.
I’d also like to add that I have shared pews with poor immigrants at Catholic Church. People who work as day laborers.
In fact, poor immigrants made the Catholic Church in the US. Irish, Italians, Poles..etc, when being a WASP was a sign of social status.
And there are Catholic Churches all over the south.
Poor people and white southerners can go to Catholic Church. Perhaps you were at a bad parish, perhaps something went wrong. I know that I shake hands at the sign of peace with people of virtually every imaginable race and social status at my Catholic Church.
It is the Catholic Church founded by Christ.
You were treated rudely at a particular parish or parishes? Very rudely?
That is the fault of those individual people, not the Catholic Church.
You're describing the bad behavior of individuals. There is no Catholic teaching that would bar anyone from becoming Catholic. In fact, those individuals were acting contrary to Catholic teaching.
I've never heard of that kind of behavior. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. What it DOES mean is that it's not policy.
Precisely. The acorn and oak tree look nothing alike.
Atheistic Christianity would love to triumph over Christianity while using the Bible that the Holy Spirit inspired.
As has been said many times the devil can quote Scripture.
I laugh when people put their own words and try to make it sound like Sacred Scripture, I wonder if they think it makes them sound holy or something but I feel like they are attempting to make themselves sound important or even inspired. IOWs, taking the job of the Holy Spirit without benefit of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit seems to me to be taking the Name of God in vain. But that’s just my opinion.
Whoever told you that ought to have been reported to the Bishop, Archbishop, Cardinal, as high as you had to go.
I can understand how such an offensive statement would sour anyone, but if you're judging the entire Catholic Church based on that/those incident(s), you're not being fair.
Like a lot of us...I'm curious what you mean. Could you explain more? I'm a rural Italian/English/French mutt and have never faced a similar situation to yourself.
Thouest seemeth to be takingeth the placeth and the judgementeth of God as oneth’s owneth perogativeth..
See, I can talk funny too.
I'm a pagach-munching pollack from way back...hunky soul food!
Did your mother make some kind of dish with meat and sauerkraut?
They call it “Hunter’s Stew” here at all the Polish Festivals. It’s grand, but my mom never made it.
Closest we had to that was halupki (pigs in the blanket).
Truth be told, my people were a bit further south, towards the Carpathians...oh, and the Russians.
I will repeat it slowly:
Jesus
Himself
was
considered
a
fraud
by
many
as
well.
It no where states, implies nor infers that Jesus=Pio. And if anyone read that into that sentence I could imagine how that person could twist the words in the Bible to mean exactly what they wanted them to mean.
I could have sworn that "YOPIOS" was first coined on FR by poster 'polycarp' 5 or so years ago. I'm not aware that it is an official "RC" acronym. (Speaking of acronyms, I'm a Byzantine Catholic. Would it be proper to call me an "RCC"? It is all so confusing!)
Taken in context, it’s clear that Peter is speaking to the church about those who claim to be apostles, claiming to have written scripture.
Seems like a weak interpretation. The object of the subject (prophecy of scripture) in verse 20 is "one's own interpretation". It never addresses, even continuing into verse 21, how it is written down or by whom. Verse 21 does give witness to the fact that men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke prophecy from God. Your chosen verse (+) follows:
2 Peter 1:20-21(RSV)
20 First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, 21 because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
The RCC has twisted this Scripture - as it has done with so many others [eyes rolling with halfhearted yawn] - into meaning that only the select group of RCC appointed men can understand Scripture.
The Catholic Church has never taught this. I suggest you avail yourself of the Catechism of the Catholic Church as an authentic resource for your understanding of the Catholic Faith in order to prepare you for valid and coherent arguments against the Church if that is your wish.
In fact, if my mother was treated poorly or discriminated against in my Parish, I would take it first to the head of the Parish and then to any higher official I could get a hold of. There are ways to fight that kind of nonsense, which is entirely the opposite of Catholic Doctrine.
Yes, I am a Catholic. Yes, I have a sense of humour. These are all true, though. Just because they were saints didn’t make their lives any easier than yours or mine. Usually it made things quite a bit more difficult :)
Headline 1: “When in 1576 the Discalced Friars convened their own Chapter, the Calced moved to carry out the prohibitions of 1575. They arrested John and another friar and imprisoned him in a Calced monastery in Toledo in a windowless 6’ x 10’ room. Scourged and humiliated, he nonetheless refused to renounce the Reform. He passed the time in his cell composing the sublime lyric poems which form the basis of his mystical treatises.” http://www.carmelite.com/saints/john/b1.shtml
Headline 2: “St Joan stands alone in history. Many women have found sanctity in the cloister, some have shown bravery in battle, but no other ever trained herself to holiness in a soldier’s camp, and surely no female saint ever died at the stake condemned by an ecclesiastical tribunal as a witch and a heretic.” http://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/JOAN1.HTM
Headline 3: “While Louis preached a sermon against the sin of intemperance, drunkards from the tavern near the church could be heard, mocking him in loud and vulgar shouts and songs. When he finished his sermon he went straight to the tavern to give them a severe tongue-lashing. Seeing words were not enough, he knocked over the tables and went to work with fists. All scrambled out somehow, and he warned, “Don’t come back, it will be all the worse for you if you do.” Every time he preached, thereafter, in the awakened town of Roussay, he found a most respectful and attentive congregation.” http://www.angelusonline.org/print.php?sid=809
Headline 4: “Young Vianney was drawn in the conscription, the war with Spain and the urgent need of recruits having caused Napoleon to withdraw the exemption enjoyed by the ecclesiastical students in the diocese of his uncle, Cardinal Fesch. Matthieu Vianney tried unsuccessfully to procure a substitute, so his son was obliged to go. His regiment soon received marching orders. The morning of departure, Jean-Baptiste went to church to pray, and on his return to the barracks found that his comrades had already left. He was threatened with arrest, but the recruiting captain believed his story and sent him after the troops. At nightfall he met a young man who volunteered to guide him to his fellow-soldiers, but led him to Noes, where some deserters had gathered. The mayor persuaded him to remain there, under an assumed name, as schoolmaster. After fourteen months, he was able to communicate with his family. His father was vexed to know that he was a deserter and ordered him to surrender but the matter was settled by his younger brother offering to serve in his stead and being accepted.” http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08326c.htm
Headline 5: “As a beloved Son who imitated his father’s habits of idolatry, Augustine took up residence in the sin of fornication. He and his mistress begot a son out of wedlock. Promoting the widespread heresy of Manichæanism, Augustine renounced his Catholic faith....[St.]Monica was responsible for the conversion of Augustine’s mistress who later entered a convent for the rest of her life.” http://www.catholic.org/featured/sheen.php?ID=1225
My Grandfather refused to call himself Polish, he was always Prussian. AND he said that we were Prussian Royalty.
Grandma would shake her head. We believed him too. Yeah, oh yeah, right....
Oh! And btw, when you and your lovely wife come to visit me here, we’ll hit a Polish Festival where my girls are dancing. Hunter’s Stew is my treat!
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