Posted on 05/16/2008 3:19:30 PM PDT by netmilsmom
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>>I think the RCC doctrines are a product of the enemy<<
Please tell us where we stand here. Examples welcome, but I'm not sure that actual names can be used when quoting another FReeper, so date and thread title may be better.
That comment personal...hardly.
I’m down with your priest! LOL!
460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature": (2 Pet 1:4) "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God." (St. Irenaeus, Adv. haeres. 3, 19, 1; PG 7/1, 939) "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God." (St. Athanasius, De inc., 54, 2: PG 25, 192B) "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods." (St. Thomas Aquinas, Opusc. 57: 1-4)So the quote is from Office of the Feast of Corpus Christi written by St. Thomas Aquinas. The fuller quotation is:
The immeasurable blessings of divine favor, which have been showered upon the people of God, confer on them an inestimable dignity. What great nation is there, or ever was, that has a God so near to it as the Lord our God is to us! The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods. And what is more, he gave back to us for our salvation, all that he had assumed belonging to us. For he offered to God the Father, for our reconciliation, his own body as a victim on the altar of the cross. He shed his blood, at one and the same time, a ransom and a purification, that being redeemed from wretched slavery we might be washed clean of all sins.It would be a mischaracterization to think that St. Thomas was saying that we become separate gods equal to God himself. Rather, as St. Peter stated in his Second Letter (that is in the Bible, by the way), we become "partakers of the divine nature"; we become united with God, we do not become a god. This meaning is shown later in the Catechism:
1265 Baptism not only purifies from all sins, but also makes the neophyte "a new creature," an adopted son of God, who has become a "partaker of the divine nature," (2 Cor 5:17; 2 Pet 1:4; cf. Gal 4:5-7) member of Christ and co-heir with him, (Cf. 1 Cor 6:15; 12:27; Rom 8:17) and a temple of the Holy Spirit.70Of course you can be contentious and isolate this quote and try to make it seem that Catholics believe something that is supported nowhere else.
Your first statement:
I stand on the side that says if one holds to be true all that the Catholic Church teaches then one has attained the fullness of faith. Anything less is one degree or another of a defective faith, no matter how earnestly held.
Makes your last statement:
I consider those in the separated churches to be Christians by virtue of their baptisms and the limited truths they hold and adhere to.
A lie
Well I can say that each Catholic has a guarantee into heaven, but guess what? The Vatican says som-ting else.
Twist and turn, twist and turn. I suspect that there are reading comprehension problems. It seems that some people get a mindset and are blinded by their own prejudices.
Many Protestant churches do not proclaim the creeds or recite them as a part of worship but, nonetheless, accept the tenets as the basis of Christian faith.
I don’t consider Unitarians as Christian or Protestant.
if Catholic dogmas and doctrines are true then anything that goes against those dogmas and doctrines are the work of Satan also for the same reason.
That is not to put the label of satanic on the adherents of the defective faith, it is just a fact that Satan deceives.
But you just did put the label of satanic on the adherents of the defective faith.
Are you suspecting me of a reading comprehension problem? I hope not.
Yes, but on the flip side many Catholics don’t consider us Protestants saved.
I think that’s an oversimplification. I’d say, from my personal understanding, that given the sanctifying grace available in the Sacraments, its potentially easier for Catholics to enter eternal life than for Protestants.
Looks like he agrees with you.
Yes, there is no other way (John 14:6), but what would you say to the Mormon who says "all" are resurrected because of Jesus & therefore "all" are "saved?"
The Bible does say all will be resurrected. It also indicates some will be saved, and some not. Do you agree?
At the same time, if those creeds draw on extraBiblical materials, you could get in trouble for wandering around the church chanting them.
Not really. Most of the articles posted have been picked apart by the Catholics.
The bishops who were, at any point in history, were breaking their vow to God!”
Did the Catholic Church require them to take the oath?
Absolutely, The Roman Catholic church is our Mother.
The Catholic guy, the Samaritan, of course. Funny you’d ask.
But if you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ then you are Catholic. You believe, for example, that works of charity done under grace save you.
Charles V, Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire issued an edict reaffirming the banning of Evangelical (the original name taken by Luther & his followers) worship, and demanding Evangelicals' arrests. A group of Evangelical electors (kings and princes of states in the HRE) PROTESTING Charles' violation of religious freedom.
I would hope, in this sense, even Roman Catholics, if they are loyal Americans, would be PROTESTANT in this way now.
Somehow though, in evidence of the brutal intolerance of the serious Romanists on this thread, I doubt it.
ROFL........
Post of the day.
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