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The Hypocrisy of Catholic Answers [Mormons taking 150.000 Catholics a year?]
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| 10 May, 2008
| Carrie at Beggars All
Posted on 05/10/2008 9:14:50 AM PDT by Ottofire
I had to break my hiatus to share two interesting campaigns by Catholic Answers.
It appears from the two campaigns that the Catholic Church has a problem: the majority of Catholics are ignorant of their faith and susceptible to a variety of prey including Mormons, liberal Catholics, homosexuals and the dreaded “anti-Catholics”. In fact, according to Catholic Answers, the Mormons have been quite successful in gaining Catholic converts:
“Many people have been doing just that—especially Catholics. In fact, in recent years the majority of converts to Mormonism have been Catholics.
It makes sense, when you think about it.
Catholics are targeted by Mormons because many Catholics can be swayed easily by Mormon arguments. That’s because many Catholics don’t know their own faith.”
...With all the talk in the media about Mormonism, more and more people are curious about Mormonism and are visiting Mormon web sites.
But these web sites are deceptive. They do not explain the true beliefs of Mormonism. They try to convince readers that Mormonism is a Christian faith—in fact, the true Christian faith!
As one Mormon web site put it, “Mormonism is the religion most consistent with biblical Christianity. We do not apologize for our beliefs. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only true Christian church on the face of the earth.”
The problem is … people fall for it—especially Catholics.
In fact, Mormons count Catholics as their main target.
Over half of the current converts to Mormonism are Catholics.
Mormons target Catholics who don’t know their faith.
Sadly, that’s the majority of our fellow Catholics. They’ve been nearly defenseless against Mormon propaganda.
...With our new special report on Mormonism, we can “inoculate” Catholics from the half-truths and skewed history presented by Mormon missionaries.
By getting this report into the hands of Catholics all across America, we can bolster the faith of Catholics and keep them from leaving the Church."
-Why Catholics are easy targetsfor Mormon evangelists
Toward the end of the article, some interesting facts are mentioned:
“FACT: Each year, the Mormon church baptizes 300,000 converts. (That’s 800 a day—or another million every three years.) Half are former Catholics.”
...P.S. The Mormon religion is not what is styles itself to be. Even our Protestant brethren agree that Mormonism is non-Christian. And yet, Mormonism is flourishing in America.
Mormons especially target poorly-catechized Catholics. (Worldwide, Catholics make up half the converts to Mormonism.)”
If those facts are true, that’s a loss of half a million Catholics over three years. I’m too busy right now to look up membership statistics, but that seems like a pretty good bleed just to Mormonism alone. And it must be a concerning loss, for Catholic Answers is willing to appeal to the opinion of their “Protestant brethren” for support against Mormonism while throwing this same “brethren” under the bus in the next campaign.
The next threat to the ignorant Catholic masses (and the second need for an “inoculation”) is the “one-two punch” of homosexual activists and “radical anti-Catholics” at World Youth Day:
“And it’s what our Catholic youth will be facing when they go to see the Pope at World Youth Day in July.
In fact, our Catholic youth are facing a “one-two punch.”
On one hand, there will be the homosexual activists promoting the “gay rights” agenda, and then there will be the radical anti-Catholics—who always descend upon World Youth Day like birds of prey.
...How do I know this?
Because this is exactly what the anti-Catholics have done at every World Youth Day for fifteen years now—since 1993.
They print slick propaganda pieces designed to look like Catholic literature, if you judge by the covers. They hand these pamphlets out by the thousands to unsuspecting Catholic youth.
But inside is the worst anti-Catholic propaganda you’ve ever seen.
Using clever but deceptive arguments for which the anti-Catholics are famous, these slick propaganda pieces get the reader to doubt many of our most important Catholic beliefs and practices,”
...This started in 1993, in Denver, Colorado. We were there—and we created a special little booklet about the Catholic faith, designed to inoculate our Catholic youth against anti-Catholic propaganda.
...Any time you have swarms of Catholic students in one place, there are bound to be tens-of- thousands that aren’t well-catechized and don’t have a proper understanding of the issues.
Thus, they’re highly vulnerable to slick propaganda—not only from anti-Catholic Protestants and dissident Catholics, but this time from the radical homosexual activists too.
...P.S. With your help, we can thwart the anti-Catholics and the homosexual activists at World Youth Day—and help make this event a glorious one for the Church and for the salvation of souls.”
-Sydney or Sodom?
Note the hypocrisy of Catholic Answers when comparing the two “P.S.”s of the two campaigns. In the first campaign Protestants are brethren whose opinion is consulted, in the second they are “anti-Catholics” with “slick propaganda” that must be thwarted. I have seen this conflicting attitude many times so it is worth pointing out.
In both articles, Catholic Answers is looking for donations as they “simply don’t have that much money right now. In fact, we don’t really have any of it”. So the issues for Catholic Answers and the Church seem to be manifold: an large population of Catholics ignorant of their faith, a slow bleed of Catholics to Mormonism, the continued threat of homosexuals, liberals, and Protestants, and a lack of funds to do much about any of it. While I do lament Catholic youth being duped by people with liberal sexual agendas and Catholics falling into the further apostasy of Mormonism, I am glad to see Catholic Answers reveal their hypocritical motivations in sometimes calling Protestants their brethren. Protestants who are sympathetic to Catholicism should be paying attention to this.
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TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Ministry/Outreach; Other Christian
KEYWORDS: catholic; ctr; lds; mormons
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To: ears_to_hear
All the kid can talk about is how much money he will get, not one word about Jesus or faith. How many kids of any denomination need to be reminded Christmas isn't about presents?
This is an indictment of materialism and consumerism, not Catholicism.
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posted on
05/10/2008 10:29:27 AM PDT
by
jude24
(Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
To: ears_to_hear
We have a neighborhood child making his first communion today. We are invited to the party following. All the kid can talk about is how much money he will get, not one word about Jesus or faith. This is why the Catholic church has fallen into 2nd place behind Islam as the largest religion. The problem is that the church, in its desire to gain/keep adherents, long ago said that you were a Catholic so long as you were confirmed, etc. So you have all these people who were born catholic, went through the routines, but never really studied or were indoctrinated into the faith. The Church would be better off if it was smaller but all of its members were believers.
To: Ottofire
I don't think so. Article of Faith number 12 states:
We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
So, you can see why most of us aren't Democrats! ;-)
To: x
FACT: Each year, the Mormon church baptizes 300,000 converts. (Thats 800 a dayor another million every three years.) Half are former Catholics.
Is that in the US or worldwide?
And are we talking about actually living, breathing people?
***
Baptism for the Dead is a vicarious gift and we in the Temporal world have no say over those on the other side of the vail if they accept the gift or not!
So the conversion would be those living and breathing here on earth!
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posted on
05/10/2008 10:33:49 AM PDT
by
restornu
(The Opposition spends all its time "playing goalie" hoping others will not READ the BOOK OF MORMON!)
To: fproy2222
I wish not to contend with our follow Catholic only to clarify some points of misconception.
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posted on
05/10/2008 10:37:45 AM PDT
by
restornu
(The Opposition spends all its time "playing goalie" hoping others will not READ the BOOK OF MORMON!)
To: x
The numbers are suspect.
But whatever the true numbers are, it is worldwide. Mostly in poor countries where the majority of converts fall away within 2 years.
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posted on
05/10/2008 10:45:59 AM PDT
by
JRochelle
(Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
To: ears_to_hear
Sounds like the kid has a family problem, not a religion one. I have had two go through first communion and neither got any money. They got communion. It was important to them and they behaved like it was important to them. I went through first communion and I remember how big of a deal it was. Never got a penny for it though. Sounds like the neighborhood kid needs to wake up.
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posted on
05/10/2008 10:46:21 AM PDT
by
coon2000
To: Ottofire
A LD Saint that actually can say they are not traditional Christian is a rare bird! I have no problem with people or me saying I am not a traditional Christian, or unorthodox Christian. My problem is when people say I'm not a Christian at all because I am LDS.
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posted on
05/10/2008 10:52:13 AM PDT
by
Domandred
(McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
To: Ottofire; greyfoxx39; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; ...
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posted on
05/10/2008 10:53:52 AM PDT
by
colorcountry
(To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
To: Ottofire
Jesus suffered and died for me to save me from my sins. I am a Mormon and I am not ashamed.
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posted on
05/10/2008 10:59:09 AM PDT
by
Saundra Duffy
(For victory & freedom!!!)
To: Domandred
"My problem is when people say I'm not a Christian at all because I am LDS." Because you're LDS, you're going to Hell.
Repent! Awake! Reject Satan's lies before it's too late!
Better?
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posted on
05/10/2008 11:04:06 AM PDT
by
Enosh
(†)
To: ears_to_hear
Oh and I suppose no child related to you has ever gotten so excited about Christmas presents that they forgot the reason for Christmas?
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posted on
05/10/2008 11:07:58 AM PDT
by
defconw
(Pray for Snow!)
To: narses
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posted on
05/10/2008 11:15:00 AM PDT
by
greyfoxx39
(Plea to mormon FReepers, "DONT HOSE ME, BRO!")
To: Ottofire
“Note the hypocrisy of Catholic Answers when comparing the two P.S.s of the two campaigns. In the first campaign Protestants are brethren whose opinion is consulted, in the second they are anti-Catholics with slick propaganda that must be thwarted. I have seen this conflicting attitude many times so it is worth pointing out.”
There is nothing hypocritical about that, those are two different subjects, one is a common cause that they both share and the other is largely the reason that they are two separate groups.
Since they are two sides of the same coin there is much they will share together and still not become one perfect, single, organization of Christians.
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posted on
05/10/2008 11:20:21 AM PDT
by
ansel12
(Unfortunately, son, we 'Utahans' sometimes have to bend the rules a little in order to hold our own.)
To: Ottofire
Catholics are targeted by Mormons because many Catholics can be swayed easily by Mormon arguments. They're not just targeted by Mormons. If you look at any JW arguments re the Trinity, you'll see that JW apologetics are also targeted towards Catholics.
Thats because many Catholics dont know their own faith.
Many? I daresay a majority don't know their own faith, or don't take it seriously. How many Catholics practice birth control, or vote Democrat? Or don't attend mass regularly? These would be the likely converts that Mormonism is picking up. Our FRCatholic friends will respond by telling us those people "aren't really Catholic" or have "excommunicated themselves." Since they're not "really Catholic" anyway, you'd think there would be no reason to persuade them to stay.
But Catholic Answers disagrees - the uninformed, uninvolved, and easily swayed are "really Catholic", and CA wants them back...
"...With our new special report on Mormonism, we can inoculate Catholics from the half-truths and skewed history presented by Mormon missionaries.
By getting this report into the hands of Catholics all across America, we can bolster the faith of Catholics and keep them from leaving the Church."
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posted on
05/10/2008 11:25:17 AM PDT
by
Alex Murphy
("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
To: fproy2222
Personally, I’m with President Hinckley’s feelings on the matter. Better an active Baptist than an inactive Mormon. People should worship in the way that they think will bring them closest to God, and ultimately salvation. For me, that is the LDS church, for others, it is the Catholic church, the Lutheran church, the Baptist church, etc. We are all responsible for our own decisions in this life. I think the honest seeker will not be disappointed in the day of judgement.
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posted on
05/10/2008 11:25:58 AM PDT
by
TheDon
To: Domandred
“I have no problem with people or me saying I am not a traditional Christian, or unorthodox Christian. My problem is when people say I’m not a Christian at all because I am LDS. “
All Christendom says that Mormonism is not Christian, it is a question that knows no diversity among Christian churches.
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posted on
05/10/2008 11:27:37 AM PDT
by
ansel12
(Unfortunately, son, we 'Utahans' sometimes have to bend the rules a little in order to hold our own.)
To: Ottofire
Google has lots of references to
Sheep stealingSince most Mormons are from the US, I assume that most of that is here.
The majority of Mormons are now outside of the US. I'd guess most of the sheep stealing is in south and central America. Certainly not in Europe!
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posted on
05/10/2008 11:31:46 AM PDT
by
TheDon
To: Ottofire
It isn't infallible. Nothing like that.
The Second Vatican Council (1963-5) was not intended to be an infallible doctrinal council but was conceived as a pastoral renewal of the Church
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Because pastoral pronouncements are neither "true" nor "false", and because they must be expressed in language that is vague and ambiguous, they cannot be the subject of infallibility. Thus it follows that the Holy Ghost simply cannot be solemnly invoked at a strictly pastoral Council, because the pastoral pronouncements could not be infallible anyway. All pastoral pronouncements, even those of Ecumenical Councils which are partly doctrinal and partly pastoral, form part of the Church's day to day Ordinary Magisterium. Thus, what is taught in a pastoral pronouncement is not assured to be infallible.
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posted on
05/10/2008 11:32:35 AM PDT
by
steve86
(Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
To: Reaganesque; Ottofire
So, you can see why most of us aren't Democrats! ;-) One of your most famous apologists was. As his obituary read in the Salt Lake Tribune,
"A die-hard Democrat in conservative Utah County, he spoke out on controversial and unpopular topics like the futility of loyalty oaths in the midst of the McCarthy hearings and the Vietnam War."
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posted on
05/10/2008 11:34:45 AM PDT
by
Alex Murphy
("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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