Why so many LDS threads?

08-May-2008 | Grig

[Grig]

I am posting this on behalf of many LDS freepers. They will post their own 'signature' to this in the comments below. --- Some of you have noticed lately a lot of LDS (ie: Mormon) threads here on FR. I'm going to tell you why.

For many years there have been several active LDS freepers here. We post to all the forums on relevant issues, and were happy to have a site where conservative values were so openly welcomed.

Those conservative values include faith in God, and freedom of religion. We fully respect the rights of all posters to express their opinions and views on religious matters, even when people choose to use those rights to express criticism of our own faith. We also support the ideas embodied in FR rules against religion bashing. There is no need for hostility and there should be no room for bigotry on FR. Every religion has it's miracles and mysteries. Every faith has things in it that are not or can not be proven, and things that run contrary to what secular science would have us believe. Someone mature and confident in their own faith generally doesn't feel the need to belittle the faith of others.

We have, to the best of our ability, conducted ourselves with civility and dignity. We do not feel that that respect has been returned by some posters (putting it mildly).

When Mormon missionaries were murdered, the moderators were kept busy pulling jubilant posts off the thread. When Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her home, we contended for months with posters who appeared to be motivated by religious bigotry doing all they could to smear the family and accuse the father. Several posters openly admitted their religious motivation in opposing Mitt Romney and confessed that no matter how conservative any Mormon was, they would never vote for one for President of the USA. When the Pope died, I don't think any Mormon poster posted anything unkind, yet the thread about the passing of our President recently needed many comments removed.

Nearly every thread having any connection with Mormons, or Utah winds up being hijacked by anti-Mormon activists who copy and paste the same false accusations over and over even when it has been clearly and factually pointed out to them on multiple occasions that they are bearing false witness against our faith. Everything possible is done by these activists to make FR a hostile place for Mormons, and for at least some of them, bashing Mormonism is all they do here. Their most recent project is trying to blur the fact that the polygamous FLDS is a separate and distinct religion from ours, just as Lutherans are a separate and distinct religion from Catholicism.

In our opinion, such poster do a great disservice to FR and to their fellow freepers by spreading disinformation and promoting hostility towards a people known for walking the walk of conservative values.

Why the moderators here don't see the behavior of these anti-Mormon activists as religion bashing is a mystery to us, but it is the moderators call to make and we respect their right to do so. That doesn't mean we have to be passive however. We have all spent many hours refuting the accusations leveled at our faith, but these wind up buried deep in a flood of comments, effectively shouting us down.

Recently some of us have decided to take a more proactive approach. Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down. We will actively define our faith here rather than just respond to accusations.

So expect to see lots of Mormon threads, now and for as long as we see fit to keep posting them (although probably not as many as there are Catholic threads). They will be about our basic doctrines and responses to common accusations. If you want to know what our faith is about, read the articles we post. We will post them as open threads and I encourage you to compare the difference in tone and spirit between what we post and what our critics say.

[Monkey Face]

ROTFL!
In YOUR opinion I was wrong. How’s that?

*BWA-HA-HAHAHAHA!*

You’re funny!

[SkyPilot]

Well, you just proved what I said about you.

[Monkey Face]

To YOU!!!

You have absolutely no knowledge of me and my beliefs other than the fact that I’m a Mormon and that seems to be enough to condemn me in your eyes.

When was the last time you paid any of my bills? If you’ve never done that, then why should I care what you think of me? It is to LAUGH! What a sorry excuse you have for judging people.

If it weren’t so pathetic it would be hilarious. Wait. It IS hilarious!!!

I’ll have to make sure I keep you in mind when I need a laugh, because you’re full of them!

[SkyPilot]

You have absolutely no knowledge of me and my beliefs other than the fact that I’m a Mormon and that seems to be enough to condemn me in your eyes.

The same goes for you to me. So what? You don't see me complaining about it.

In my opinion, you came after me again and again because (in my opinion - can't "mind read" right?) you were nailed for defending the Pig reference and you
just
could
not
let
it
go.

Yes, you are Mormon. I disagree with Mormonism. I can tell you why - but you never asked.

I am defending the faith that Christ said that the gates of Hell itself would not prevail against. You believe that a guy who "married" 27 women and dug up Golden Plates that were "Reformed Egyptian" had a "restored" gospel. OK.

I don't. I defend my faith, and you can defend yours.

Fair enough? I thought you said yesterday we were all friends here?

When was the last time you paid any of my bills?

Ummmmm.....never. When was the last time you paid any of mine?

Interesting subject line you have going here. Can I try?

"When was the last time you helped my sick father?!!"

The answer is never, and......you shouldn't anyway.

It is to LAUGH!

I take it you are enraged that I challenged you to just admit you were wrong about Pigs being a negative attack on Christians, and not being equal to sheep, puppies, and kittens as you said. You wouldn't, and I called you on it. I suspect you are not laughing.

If it weren’t so pathetic it would be hilarious. Wait. It IS hilarious!!!

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....K.

[FastCoyote]

[Or how bout all the accusatory postings about Mormon underwear, or Mormon doctrine, or Mormon communion, or the rituals inside a Mormon tabernacle church. (which I really know nothing about)

I saw hundreds of postings which in essence accused Mitt Romney of being not qualified because of these doctrinal differences.]

You do realize don’t you that the FLDS brouhaha would have been firmly wrapped around Mitts campaign right now, don’t you? And you do realize that the disaster of Romneycare is in part templated on Mormon tithing concepts? It is also obvious you don’t know a lot about the negative aspects of Mormonism, I suggest you go here and read the cries of anguish from those who have broken free.

http://www.exmormon.org/boards/w-agora/index.php?bn=exmobb_biography

“But go back and read all the vile postings which brought up things that some Mormon member did 150 years ago.”

Those vile things are in many instances part and parcel of current doctrines (blood atonement never fully went away), or show up as the FLDS child abuse. Are you saying that Abe Lincoln and the Civil War don’t have repercussions now because they happened 150 years ago?

[Elsie]

Christ's mission was never to the Gentiles.

Ya coulda FOOLED me!

NIV Luke 2:28-32
28. Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying:
29. "Sovereign Lord, as you have promised, you now dismiss your servant in peace.
30. For my eyes have seen your salvation,
31. which you have prepared in the sight of all people,
32. a light for revelation to the Gentiles and for glory to your people Israel."

[Elsie]

In all due respect if I told you I really don’t think you would stop to ponder.

Just quit READING MY MIND and answer it.

There are OTHER folks who read these threads that probably wants to know.

[restornu]

How can past experience on this subject and others over the years be consider reading your mind goalie?

[Elsie]

I actually agree with the Mormons on some aspects of church life.

Who don't!

There are LOTS of things 'good' about their lifestyle.

All of which could be gotten withOUT their religion.

[Elsie]

But you have to admit, it's funny! ;o]

True; but THIS comes to mind!

[Elsie]

Elmer: I don’t need nones o’ YOUR bull!

[Elsie]

My recollection is that there was criticism of the way Huckabee acted in public regarding religion, but not of the Southern Baptist religion itself.

What?

NOTHING from Old Mountain Man registered on your radar??

[Elsie]

No one has absolute knowledge of religious truth. No one can claim that THEY are the absolute correct interpreters of the Holy Bible.

Joesph Smith (and his devout followers) will be disMAYED when they read this!

[Tennessee Nana]

I know the Bible; I love the Bible; I have read it cover to cover more than once.
__________________________________________________

WOW....

I am not impressed...

I have read The Bible cover to cover more than 50 times...

However I believe the words in The Bible, while mormons denounce The Bible as incomplete and add the book of mormon and other secular literature to their religion..

As a Christian, I believe The Bible...The Old Testament and the New Testament..

There is no further “testament”...

The Bible is a complete work...

[Elsie]

You never know when an angel will knock on your door.

And, by just the knock, you can tell it's an ANGEL!

(If it were a DEMON the sound would be more like a squish-squish or thud-thud, because of lack of bones to make a good sounding KNOCK.)

[Elsie]

...many FReepers hold an irrational hatred for Mormons...

As opposed to the RATIONAL kind?

[Elsie]

Why?

The wackos won’t let ‘em DRILL!

[Elsie]

It only takes a century and a half for the evidence of HISTORY to turn VILE??

But go back and read all the vile postings which brought up things that some Mormon member did 150 years ago.

[Elsie]

Every post of yours that I have read has made reference to the “pig.”

Some things just need repeating!

 

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19   17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!   18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.   19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”   20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”

 

 

"Just what did Joseph Smith 'learn' to be UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANISM?"

 

 

[Saundra Duffy]

Mormons would never “denounce the Bible” - you are mistaken. The Bible is precious to us. I should think you’d be a tad bit cautious about this since there hundreds of versions of the Bible and Christians can’t agree on which one is good, better, best . . . or worst.