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Posted on 05/08/2008 5:04:47 PM PDT by Grig
I am posting this on behalf of many LDS freepers. They will post their own 'signature' to this in the comments below. --- Some of you have noticed lately a lot of LDS (ie: Mormon) threads here on FR. I'm going to tell you why.
For many years there have been several active LDS freepers here. We post to all the forums on relevant issues, and were happy to have a site where conservative values were so openly welcomed.
Those conservative values include faith in God, and freedom of religion. We fully respect the rights of all posters to express their opinions and views on religious matters, even when people choose to use those rights to express criticism of our own faith. We also support the ideas embodied in FR rules against religion bashing. There is no need for hostility and there should be no room for bigotry on FR. Every religion has it's miracles and mysteries. Every faith has things in it that are not or can not be proven, and things that run contrary to what secular science would have us believe. Someone mature and confident in their own faith generally doesn't feel the need to belittle the faith of others.
We have, to the best of our ability, conducted ourselves with civility and dignity. We do not feel that that respect has been returned by some posters (putting it mildly).
When Mormon missionaries were murdered, the moderators were kept busy pulling jubilant posts off the thread. When Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her home, we contended for months with posters who appeared to be motivated by religious bigotry doing all they could to smear the family and accuse the father. Several posters openly admitted their religious motivation in opposing Mitt Romney and confessed that no matter how conservative any Mormon was, they would never vote for one for President of the USA. When the Pope died, I don't think any Mormon poster posted anything unkind, yet the thread about the passing of our President recently needed many comments removed.
Nearly every thread having any connection with Mormons, or Utah winds up being hijacked by anti-Mormon activists who copy and paste the same false accusations over and over even when it has been clearly and factually pointed out to them on multiple occasions that they are bearing false witness against our faith. Everything possible is done by these activists to make FR a hostile place for Mormons, and for at least some of them, bashing Mormonism is all they do here. Their most recent project is trying to blur the fact that the polygamous FLDS is a separate and distinct religion from ours, just as Lutherans are a separate and distinct religion from Catholicism.
In our opinion, such poster do a great disservice to FR and to their fellow freepers by spreading disinformation and promoting hostility towards a people known for walking the walk of conservative values.
Why the moderators here don't see the behavior of these anti-Mormon activists as religion bashing is a mystery to us, but it is the moderators call to make and we respect their right to do so. That doesn't mean we have to be passive however. We have all spent many hours refuting the accusations leveled at our faith, but these wind up buried deep in a flood of comments, effectively shouting us down.
Recently some of us have decided to take a more proactive approach. Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down. We will actively define our faith here rather than just respond to accusations.
So expect to see lots of Mormon threads, now and for as long as we see fit to keep posting them (although probably not as many as there are Catholic threads). They will be about our basic doctrines and responses to common accusations. If you want to know what our faith is about, read the articles we post. We will post them as open threads and I encourage you to compare the difference in tone and spirit between what we post and what our critics say.
If you folks EVER tried to have a reasoned discussion this all would be a moot point. I've had those kind of discussions w/ those outside of the flying Inmans (as you're so proud of being called) & they're very productive. There's very little that's productive about your method of discussion except to show folks how not to do it. Now, that's my opinion, but one I feel is shared by most here.
The sad thing is, it's not just w/ the LDS. You folks often do the same to other Christians who don't believe as you do. One need not go further than the Catholic threads for ample evidence of that.
Those that have been following this thread, by now, have a good gauge as to who's who in the zoo. I feel confident that any response from you or the others at this point will not be a true attempt at reasoned discussion, but rather the attacks as usual. I'm not game. Got a wonderful weekend lined up w/ the family. No offense, but it's a lot more fun than the sandbox here w/ you folks.
All that said, I sincerely wish you & yours the best for this weekend.
Elsie, what number on the list is that?
Funny you should mention "hitting a nerve"....and then run for the hills.!
Hey Sky, Just out of curiosity, what are your feelings about Godzilla’s 48 page post, given your comments about Delphi’s “verbose” ways? I look forward to reading your response later.
Do not make this thread “about” individual Freepers. That is a form of “making it personal.”
Right on cue GF. Have a great weekend.
Where’s that recording of the “Melchizedek priest” commanding Shaun to do something or other in the name of his priesthood power or something or other ????
It needs to be played often...
That's what gets me the most, the hypocrisy. Many of these folks came on here lambasting you for your verbosity, largely I believe, b/c they couldn't answer the points you made. Now, when one of their own comes on & does likewise, not a peep. It's never about principles w/ these folks, just strategy, tactics, & the win.
I have no problem responding to DU's long posts. Perhaps when he learns not to shot gun he'll get shorter responses.
Don't you just love their cryptic messages, like the submarine? Again, it's not about being above board w/ everything, just the win.
ROTFLAICGU - conspiracy behind every image. If you feel threatened by a picture of a submarine you are pretty insecure.
Part of their strategy my friend is to continue bringing the same things up time after time after time.
Their strategy? Reno you really haven't kept up to date. Every point DU has made over the past 8 months I have refuted - particularly the DNA. Yet it is DU that continues the mantra. He keeps bring up falsehood - I have to continue to present the truth.
I don't know that there are many things in this 48 pager that haven't been said before, & many times over. Unless you just want to copy & paste any number of previous answers given on many, many occasions, I would just let this one go. You nailed it right on the head, it's filibustering, on a grand scale.
Reno -IF you bother to follow the thread back, compare DU's response here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2013341/reply?c=2659
to my post here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2013341/posts?page=2624#2624
And then tell me who started writing the large posts. I will respond as necessary to counter the falsehoods presented. Don't forget Reno - we didn't start the hosing the pigs method either.
If you were to respond w/ a post w/ the length needed, you would undoubtedly drill them yet again, then they would just come back & attack you for your verbosity again. I think folks here that have been following can see the hypocrisy on their side.
Why, that hasn't stopped DU in the past. but when I cut excess verbiage in my responses, I'm challenged for editing.... I am not ashamed of long responses - they are necessary to completely address the topic(s) thrown out there.
As I read the scriptures, their methods of teaching are not what Christ taught.
Then you haven't really read the scriptures. When dealing with heresy and false teachings trying to take over a church, Paul would get right to the point.
I’ve made my point. I’m done. Have a great weekend RM
If you are going to talk about me, at least have the fortitude to ping me. Other wise you are making it personal against another freeper.
A fact often missed by some on these threads!
New tagline tryout.
This thread is at the brink of being locked.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal.
My sincere apologies Godzilla. As you know, I normally do ping you. Has nothing to do w/ fortitude, just a slip.
Apology accepted, have a good weekend.
Sorry, RM...we will try to do better.
Thanks. BTW, I love your tagline. My best to you & yours.
You must mean this:
So much for the "reasoned discussion" referred to earlier.
DU - “If I had indeed challenged your testimony of Jesus, then I would be in peril as well.”
UnScriptural statement...
We are only in trouble if we reject Jesus, not a “messager” of any kind...
Some people hear the REAL Gospel preached many times before they accept the saving Grace that Jesus provided on the Cross...
If what DU said was true, there be a lot of born again Christians who would be going to Hell anyway...
But DU is wrong...
Jesus, Himself, said..
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Matthew 12:31, 32
And Jesus, Himself, on “eternal peril”
Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. John 3:15-21
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:15, 16
Paul never took credit for a “witness” or threatened anyone with “eternal peril”....
1Cr 3:5 ¶ Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Cr 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
1Cr 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
1Cr 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
1Cr 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye are God’s building.
1Cr 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1Cr 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 3:5-11
Yes, that’s the one...
I love Shaun’s answer...
“Get a suntan”
Well, Joseph Smith might have been good for something after all...
WOW...
Joseph Smith’s face shining brighter that the sun?
I thought that was God’s role...
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