Why so many LDS threads?

08-May-2008 | Grig

[Grig]

I am posting this on behalf of many LDS freepers. They will post their own 'signature' to this in the comments below. --- Some of you have noticed lately a lot of LDS (ie: Mormon) threads here on FR. I'm going to tell you why.

For many years there have been several active LDS freepers here. We post to all the forums on relevant issues, and were happy to have a site where conservative values were so openly welcomed.

Those conservative values include faith in God, and freedom of religion. We fully respect the rights of all posters to express their opinions and views on religious matters, even when people choose to use those rights to express criticism of our own faith. We also support the ideas embodied in FR rules against religion bashing. There is no need for hostility and there should be no room for bigotry on FR. Every religion has it's miracles and mysteries. Every faith has things in it that are not or can not be proven, and things that run contrary to what secular science would have us believe. Someone mature and confident in their own faith generally doesn't feel the need to belittle the faith of others.

We have, to the best of our ability, conducted ourselves with civility and dignity. We do not feel that that respect has been returned by some posters (putting it mildly).

When Mormon missionaries were murdered, the moderators were kept busy pulling jubilant posts off the thread. When Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her home, we contended for months with posters who appeared to be motivated by religious bigotry doing all they could to smear the family and accuse the father. Several posters openly admitted their religious motivation in opposing Mitt Romney and confessed that no matter how conservative any Mormon was, they would never vote for one for President of the USA. When the Pope died, I don't think any Mormon poster posted anything unkind, yet the thread about the passing of our President recently needed many comments removed.

Nearly every thread having any connection with Mormons, or Utah winds up being hijacked by anti-Mormon activists who copy and paste the same false accusations over and over even when it has been clearly and factually pointed out to them on multiple occasions that they are bearing false witness against our faith. Everything possible is done by these activists to make FR a hostile place for Mormons, and for at least some of them, bashing Mormonism is all they do here. Their most recent project is trying to blur the fact that the polygamous FLDS is a separate and distinct religion from ours, just as Lutherans are a separate and distinct religion from Catholicism.

In our opinion, such poster do a great disservice to FR and to their fellow freepers by spreading disinformation and promoting hostility towards a people known for walking the walk of conservative values.

Why the moderators here don't see the behavior of these anti-Mormon activists as religion bashing is a mystery to us, but it is the moderators call to make and we respect their right to do so. That doesn't mean we have to be passive however. We have all spent many hours refuting the accusations leveled at our faith, but these wind up buried deep in a flood of comments, effectively shouting us down.

Recently some of us have decided to take a more proactive approach. Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down. We will actively define our faith here rather than just respond to accusations.

So expect to see lots of Mormon threads, now and for as long as we see fit to keep posting them (although probably not as many as there are Catholic threads). They will be about our basic doctrines and responses to common accusations. If you want to know what our faith is about, read the articles we post. We will post them as open threads and I encourage you to compare the difference in tone and spirit between what we post and what our critics say.

[colorcountry]

You see what you will see.

[Elsie]

Sorry for the shouting, but you have NEVER addressed that point.

Never will.

It's YOUR bunch that didn't want to be associated with Christians: now they do.

Go figger!

[Elsie]

Many months ago, you and I had a lengthy post back and forth you finally told me you were not a "She", but a "He", your initials are L.C. and you thought it was funny to use the handle Elsie so people would have trouble figuring out how to approach you, you are "older" and literally have nothing better to do than post here and tear down the church.

 

Sorry, DU; but I do not recall that post.

 

 

Can you find it to refresh my memory?

 

 

I think you may have this all confused in your mind, as you tend to have VERY lengthy responses to ANYTHING and it may just all be jumbled there.

[Reno232]

Frankly, I wouldn't cut down the size at all. I think that's exactly what they want you to do. Sometimes it takes a bit to defend &/or explain our beliefs. If you were to shorten some of those responses, it may come across as a less than cogent or coherent response.

Remember, w/ few exceptions, they’re not out for the truth, just the win. With their carpet bombing tactics, it's hard sometimes to answer in just a few sentences. They complain about your verbosity yet say nothing about Godzilla's long post in which he laid out not just one, but a litany of issues to be discussed.

That's why I rarely can get involved in these discussions at any length, I wouldn't have the time to sort through pages & pages of questions. I certainly appreciate the time you do take & commend you for the effort.

What's sad is that instead of having a reasoned discussion about matters of such great import, seemingly all they can come up w/ is how long the response is or in my case, use of the ole kings English for one word. Have they never read Shakespeare, etc. I think they show their colors & true intent by diverting the debate to such trivial matters rather than the discussion at hand.

Skypilot claims to not know what my challenge to him was yet all he would have to do is look at that post & look for the word challenge, & voila, right there. I, like you, I'm sure, enjoy those who conduct reasonable discussions. Unfortunately, that has been sorely lacking for the better part in this thread. Surprise, surprise given the usual cast here on that side.

Too bad really, cause there are some very bright minds there & I feel they really do believe they're doing the Lord's work. But I wonder at the end of the day, if they really feel uplifted after spending virtually the entire day in negativity.

[Elsie]

Everything talked about in the Temple is in the standard works if you know where to look, the pieces are just not put together, but all the pieces are there.

 

 

 

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I see what you mean!!

 

 

http://contactsheet.org/cgi-bin/ransom.pl?thedata=Temple+Practices+are+BOGUS%21&Button=Generate+Ransom+Note

[Elsie]

I have not been a toad since my lovely wife said yes and kissed me over the alter.

I showed my wife where I was altered; but she wouldn't kiss me there...

[Elsie]

 

(benefits, or punishments for knowing the classic definition of words...)

 

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'

Alice was too much puzzled to say anything; so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. 'They've a temper, some of them - particularly verbs: they're the proudest - adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs - however, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That's what I say!'

[DelphiUser]

Again with a negative post, I double Dog dare you, post something, anything positive...

[DelphiUser]

You see what you will see.

Did you actually go and read the whole articles, or did you just read the headlines?

[DelphiUser]

I Said: Sorry for the shouting, but you have NEVER addressed that point.

U Said: Never will.

because you can't...

U Said: It's YOUR bunch that didn't want to be associated with Christians: now they do.

We didn't want to be associated with the Local Churches, we are associated with the Universal church, in fact, we are the Universal Church's arm on earth in these the latter days.

U Said: Go figger!

Thanks, got it "Figgered" out a long time ago.

[Tennessee Nana]

they think the word “Polygamy” is vulgar.
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But it sure doesnt stop them from doing those vulgar things..

[Tennessee Nana]

they prefer to say “Plural Marriage”,
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As in wife swapping, one night stands, adultery, fornicationn, sex before marriage, promiscuity, pedophilia etc

Yes, so much more virtuous...

[Tennessee Nana]

Actually I guess that would be “husband” swapping...

just as unGodly...

[DelphiUser]

Sorry, DU; but I do not recall that post.

Go "Figger".

Can you find it to refresh my memory?

Yes, I could, but I don't work for you. I learned that it's SOAP (Standard Operating Anti Procedure) to try clean up dirty tactics by getting Mormons who are effective to stop posting and do research for them. My posts here are public, so are yours, I have talked about this on several threads...

Are the other details accurate, are your initials LC? do you go by Elsie so people will not know your gender and how to post to you? Do you share initials with a family member? are you a seasoned citizen? If these details are right, Either I have a good memory, or I'm psychic.

I think you may have this all confused in your mind, as you tend to have VERY lengthy responses to ANYTHING and it may just all be jumbled there.

I can't help what you think.

I have discussed this several times on FR, one time you were part of the conversation, enough said. I don't blame you for not remembering, your continued stating that you don't is evidence enough for me. Unlike many anti's, I like to take people at their word whenever possible.

Tell me, is it consistent with your public persona to make fun of another poster?

Does that perception open you up to people assuming that is what you were doing?

[DelphiUser]

Frankly, I wouldn't cut down the size at all. I think that's exactly what they want you to do. Sometimes it takes a bit to defend &/or explain our beliefs. If you were to shorten some of those responses, it may come across as a less than cogent or coherent response.

That is one of the reasons I started my page on Freerepublic.

They complain about your verbosity yet say nothing about Godzilla's long post in which he laid out not just one, but a litany of issues to be discussed.

and the fact that as the assaulter he sets the topic, structure, order and length of my responses.

That's why I rarely can get involved in these discussions at any length, I wouldn't have the time to sort through pages & pages of questions. I certainly appreciate the time you do take & commend you for the effort.

I'm doing all this while doing other things (which is why I sometimes get behind), this is my hobby! LOL?

What's sad is that instead of having a reasoned discussion about matters of such great import, seemingly all they can come up w/ is how long the response is or in my case, use of the ole kings English for one word. Have they never read Shakespeare, etc. I think they show their colors & true intent by diverting the debate to such trivial matters rather than the discussion at hand.

SOAP my FRiend SOAP (Standard Operating Anti Procedure).

Keep up the work when you can, and thanks for the post...

BTW, there are several anti's who keep saying nobody follows or even reads my posts, care to set them straight?

[DelphiUser]

I Said: I have not been a toad since my lovely wife said yes and kissed me over the alter.

U Said: I showed my wife where I was altered; but she wouldn't kiss me there...

Anybody notice a disparity in the level of this discussion besides me, hey is this still in the religion forum?

[DelphiUser]

I Said: they think the word “Polygamy” is vulgar.

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U Said: But it sure doesnt stop them from doing those vulgar things..

There are people who are not involved in polygamy who do many vulgar things, it's neither a cure nor a cause. Natural man is just a sinful creature...

[DelphiUser]

I Said: they prefer to say “Plural Marriage”,

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U Said: As in wife swapping, one night stands, adultery, fornicationn, sex before marriage, promiscuity, pedophilia etc

Yes, so much more virtuous...

Regardless, they don't WANT to be called LDS or Mormon, now FLDS, or Fundamentalist Mormon, those they wouldn't mind so much because it has a distinction from us, and that was the point. They are different.

BTW, you do realize the Serial Polygamy of Divorce and remarriage we accept as "normal" today was condemned specifically by Jesus as adultery, right?

Do you speak out against Divorce?

[DelphiUser]

Actually I guess that would be “husband” swapping...

just as unGodly...

Sigh, The curse of a large vocabulary strikes again...

Fornication - Sex out side of marriage

Adultery - Sex by a married person with anyone outside of that marriage.

Polygamy - Multiple spouses (yep you read that right)

Polyandry - Multiple husbands

Polygyny - Multiple wives

Polyticks - Many blood sucking insects (OK, I made this one up, but it fits)

Don't believe me, Go look it up.

[DelphiUser]

Reno, I thought you might enjoy this one...