[sevenbak]

This is PART 3 of many on this subject, restoring the ancient Church. Look for more to come.

[Ratblaster]

How come you never see Moroni and Xenu together?

[Mogollon]

Many of my friends that I grew up with are mormons and I feel sorry for their belief in the false doctrine of the book of mormon. Especially when this warning from the the last page of the last chapter of the bible is considered (Revelation Chap 22: 18-21):

18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of Life and out of the Holy City, and from the things which are written in this book. 20He that testifieth these things saith, "Surely I come quickly." Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

The book of mormon clearly adds to and subtracts from the prophecies contained in Revelation.

[DCBurgess58]

This really does NOT belong on Free Republic imho. I am not looking forward for more to come. This has NOTHING to do with grassroots conservatism. Keep your prosthelyzing on your religous beliefs in an appropriate venue please.

[svcw]

Why is this not posted on the religion forum?

[fishtank]

“Look for more to come.”

Wow. I’m quivering with anticipation.

Now I know how a foie gras goose feels.

[P-Marlowe]

71 pages on a single thread. Do you have the readers digest version?

From a brief glance at the article:

the post-Apostolic Christians came to believe that God created the entire material universe out of absolutely nothing (i.e. creatio ex nihilo), rather than out of pre-existent, chaotic matter. Perhaps in a misguided attempt to give more glory to God, Christian philosophers of the late second century discarded the early Christian and Jewish idea of creation from chaos in favor of the theory of creatio ex nihilo, as formulated by the Gnostic philosopher Basilides.

Since this article has been posted in the News Activism forum rather than the religion forum, I'm going to have to say..... BULLCRAP!

If the rest of this article is full of this kind of tripe, then obviously it's not worth the photons it is printed on.

[chs68]

OK, but when do I become a god with my very own universe?

And what must I do in order to become a god with my very own universe??

[Drango]

Perhaps if it was a longer post....more people would read it.

[CodeToad]

A link to all this would be better than posting an entire book.

[MagnoliaMS]

Look for more to come.

I hope not. I am pretty much a speed-reader, but there is no way even I would attempt to wade through all of that. And I doubt too many others will. What's the point?

[Godzilla]

No matter how much lipstick, its still a pig

[P-Marlowe]

On the other hand, Joseph Smith is again in company with the earliest Christians, and Latter-day Saints reject the notion of creation ex nihilo.⁹⁶ In one of the LDS creation accounts Christ says, "We will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell." (Abraham 3:24) Joseph Smith spoke of this principle when he said:

Now, the word create came from the word baurau which does not mean to create out of nothing; it means to organize; the same as a man would organize materials and build a ship. Hence, we infer that God had materials to organize the world out of chaos--chaotic matter, which is element . . . . Element had an existence from the time he had. The pure principles of element are principles which can never be destroyed; they may be organized and re-organized, but not destroyed. They had no beginning, and can have no end.⁹⁷

Again, since this article is in the News/Activism forum I'm going to have to say..... BULLCRAP!

In fact this thread is really starting to smell. Someone get me a barf bag. Where is the BARF ALERT on this article?

If this author is correct, then the Universe created God and not the other way around.

I don't suppose this Moron Mormon has any credentials in Old Testament Hebrew? If he has them, he got them as a prize out of a Cracker Jacks box.

[DouglasKC]

A restoration of the doctrines of the original, Christian church would include 7th day sabbath observance (the 4th commandment) and observance of the Lord's holy days which are outlined in Leviticus 23.

I've always found it interesting that the LDS holds to be the "true church", yet they follow Roman Catholic tradition on Sunday worship and observation of Catholic holidays such as Christmas and Easter.

[P-Marlowe]

Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are only one God. I say that is a strange God anyhow--three in one, and one in three! It is a curious organization. "Father, I pray not for the world, but I pray for them which thou hast given me." "Holy Father, keep through Thine own name those whom thou has given me, that they may be one as we are." All are to be crammed into one God, according to sectarianism. It would make the biggest God in all the world. He would be a wonderfully big God--he would be a giant or a monster. I want to read the text to you myself--"I am agreed with the Father and the Father is agreed with me, and we are agreed as one." The Greek shows that it should be agreed. "Father, I pray for them which Thou has given me out of the world, and not for those alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word, that they all may be agreed, as Thou, Father, are with me, and I with Thee, that they also may be agreed with us," and all come to dwell in unity, and in all the glory and everlasting burnings of the Gods; and then we shall see as we are seen, and be as our God and He as His Father.⁸

Therefore, the Godhead consists of truly separate beings--even separate Gods--who are one in the sense of their total unity of will and love. The Prophet correctly noted that this type of oneness is consistent with Jesus' expectation that his disciples would be "one" as He and the Father are "one." (John 17:11, 21-24)

Consistent with the idea that the Father is the "only true God," the Prophet also preached "subordinationism," the idea that the Son and Spirit are subordinate in power, rank, and glory to the Father. "Any person that had seen the heavens opened knows that there are three personages in the heavens who hold the keys of power, and one [the Father] presides over all."⁹What Kind of Being is God?

The Prophet also taught a startling doctrine about the physical nature of God. He preached that "if you were to see [God] today, you would see him like a man in form,"¹⁰ and that "the Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit." (D&C 130:22) Indeed, the Spirit of God and the spirit of man are both material substance. (D&C 131:7-8) Consistent with all of this, Joseph Smith taught that man is of the same race as God. The spirit of man existed before this mortal life, and man is capable of becoming like his Father in Heaven.¹¹

Whoever wrote this tripe does not believe in the same God as Christianity. You Mormons insist on calling yourselves "Christian" and then you post this nonsense and call it Doctrine?

If this is Mormon Doctrine then I can say without hesitation that MORMONISM IS NOT CHRISTIAN!

If you want to call that Mormon Bashing, go right ahead. Bang on the abuse button.

[Tennessee Nana]

Thanks for the warning

[Elsie]

59 pages just of part 3!! <

Trying to explain what two deceiving spirits told Joseph Smith.

Amazing!

[P-Marlowe]

Therefore, Mormons believe the entire human family was formed from eternal intelligence which became, through a process that has not been clearly revealed, the literal spirit children of our Father in heaven.

Ok, if this is Mormon Doctrine as the Author purports it to be, then is there anyone now who doubts that...

MORMONISM IS NOT CHRISTIAN?

[stinkerpot65]

The Mormon Church teaches a plurality of Gods. They believe that God the Father (Elohim) was once a man on a separate world who attained godhood. He then had many spirit children with his wives, the oldest one being Jesus.

According to LDS beliefs, we were all Elohim’s spirit children before our carnal existence. Therefore, Jesus is our eldest brother. Jesus was one of a very few who attained godhood before living an earthly life.

Is this true?

[P-Marlowe]

So it is with the Latter-day Saints. We see such scriptural statements about the "everlasting" and "unchanging" God as an indication of God's perfect and unchanging moral character, as well as God's eternity relative to men. God is spoken of as the "only true God," because in relation to us this is perfectly true. Given this Hebrew mindset, it is easy to see how Latter-day Saints can accept the biblical statements about God and also believe that God was once a man, having a Father Himself.

OK, is this CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE? That God was once a man having a Father himself and his father having a father and his father having a father ad infinitum?

Well the cat's out of the bag Seven. Gordon Hinckley denied that Mormons teach this. I sure looks like they teach it, it's all part of their doctrine.

Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt: Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, page 345:
"If we should take a million of worlds like this and number their particles, we should find that there are more Gods than there are particles of matter in those worlds."

MORMONISM IS NOT CHRISTIAN!

[SeaHawkFan]

Would be a lot better if there were some footnotes to support the author’s opinions.