Posted on 03/15/2008 10:17:55 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper
More than once during these talks I referred to Luther and what always occurred to me as his destructive influence. I pointed out that even in such an admirable book as Rohan Butler's “The Roots of National Socialism” the spiritual origins of Nazism and Luther's influence had not been given the necessary importance. Then I was asked if I would be prepared to elaborate to them—about a dozen of the very senior boys, that is—my own views on Luther and Lutheranism. I agreed—with the proviso that they would be my own views and nothing else. Admittedly, I had read more on Luther and about Luther than on most other subjects. But I wanted to make it quite clear that I would not speak to them with the voice of a great authority, but would merely give them my own interpretation. I told them, moreover, that I should try to prove how dangerous it is to accept legends; and that the picture I had of Luther and his influence was thoroughly contradictory of the customary Luther of the legend.
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Everyone here knows the Gospel as that term is typically defined.
If you’re assigning the word some special meaning, please share it.
You wrote:
“There are Lutheran martyrs at the hand of Nazism too (e.g., Boenhoffer)”
True.
“That is correct. He would use whatever symbolism was at hand to twist people’s minds.”
Yep.
I'm equally surprised that you don't know The Gospel.
It's even more surprising you think I'm spouting some contemporary pop culture truth.
Well, if you aren't communicating effectively, I'd say that's a problem, hmm?
He is being rather cryptic...but I believe he’s doing the “Born Again” thing. He is sitting there smugly thinking his heresy is from God.
What is it?
Do you think I’m going to play your weird little games?
Try that again...what you posted made absolutely no sense.
But..... all you have to do is say that Jesus is my Lord and Savior and all is well! ;)
Thankfully, Dr. E. is more passionate about speaking the truth in love regardless than even I am.
However, both of us care a lot more about what God thinks of our pontifications than what man thinks.
'Tis to HIM we will give an account of our use of Scripture, time, energies, talents and skills HE has blessed us with.
Those who prefer to worship, revere, adore, venerate, organizations, dogmas, humans (in and graduated from this sphere), structures, wood, hay, stubble, chaff . . .
shall in due course come face to face with their obsessions with hideous distractions.
Until then, all we can do is hold up the Bibical, Godly, Spirit led stndard and encourage folks to consider following THAT vs ANY other lesser things.
I do and I'm sorry you think this a trick question or something.
Everybody knows that the term gospel means “good news” and The Gospels represent the true revelation of Jesus Christ. If you are going somewhere else and recreating Christianity (again) according to your man-dated wants and needs...get behind me Satan.
Ok so? All Scripture is good. I’ll read that and you read John Chapter Six and fall in love with the Eucharist.
Amen to that!
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Of course Luther had his own anti-semitism to contend with. However, so did just about ALL of medieval Europe. You don’t think Jews were expelled from medieval Spain, France, Germany, etc., by LUTHERANS do you?
It’s such an ignorant of context argument.
Far worse the actual silence of Christians during the actual Holocaust and the actual guilt of Christians during the Holocaust than any attempts to tie people to it who had been dead for 400 years before it ever happened.
Austria, for heaven’s sake, was Roman Catholic. Bavaria was Roman Catholic. Germany is primarily Catholic and Lutheran.
As an Austrian, Hitler was born and baptized a Roman Catholic. As near as I can tell, he was never excommunicated from that church.
Now, is it proper for me to find Roman Catholicism guilty by association?
You are wrong.
Thanks for your kind affirmation.
In addition I would refer you to post #171 concerning the culpability of Catholic Bavaria in supporting the Nazi’s visa vis Protestant Germany.
I looked and didn’t find it, so I am right that “as near as I can tell” he was never excommunicated.
Where’s the link?
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