Posted on 03/15/2008 10:17:55 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper
More than once during these talks I referred to Luther and what always occurred to me as his destructive influence. I pointed out that even in such an admirable book as Rohan Butler's “The Roots of National Socialism” the spiritual origins of Nazism and Luther's influence had not been given the necessary importance. Then I was asked if I would be prepared to elaborate to them—about a dozen of the very senior boys, that is—my own views on Luther and Lutheranism. I agreed—with the proviso that they would be my own views and nothing else. Admittedly, I had read more on Luther and about Luther than on most other subjects. But I wanted to make it quite clear that I would not speak to them with the voice of a great authority, but would merely give them my own interpretation. I told them, moreover, that I should try to prove how dangerous it is to accept legends; and that the picture I had of Luther and his influence was thoroughly contradictory of the customary Luther of the legend.
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I guess you failed reading comprehension. The author of the article is not Catholic. He is a Lutheran. Probably a good time to quietly slip away with your tail between your legs.
See what? An apples and oranges comparison?
Luther had his own Jew-hatred to contend with. Assuming that he would have done thus-and-such in 1938 is pure speculation.
hit a nerve I guess.
It’s hysterical that he won’t answer that question because to do so exposes the circular argument of sola scriptura. In order to arrive at sola scriptura you have to establish that the Catholic Church is fallible in it’s teaching authority. But then how can a fallible institution establish the books of the New Testament infallibly....protected by the Holy Spirit? Ok..then that makes the Church infallible....
You hope. But no..I just recognized a childish reaction.
Thanks for ignoring my point completely.
R: It’s right here beside me, I just finished Luke and Acts most recently.
If your church doesn't teach you The Gospel well enough that you can respond to the question what is it, how do you know your church hasn't made errors? You really don't other than hoping it hasn't.
I mean, it's not as if we hired an SS officer and Nazi party member who was the head of the Nazi rocket program (a program which was run with slave labor, dontcha know) to build our missiles and moon rockets.
Oh, wait, we did.
bump
Um, considering I gave you a rather lengthy response I have no idea how you could say I ignored it.
Nazis escaped to America - a very Protestant country - and lived here a long time before anyone cared.
Also, are you sure those people in Guatemala were Nazis or were they just Germans? And if they were Nazis, were they war criminals?
The simple fact is you have made a strange, unsupported claim here. You are claiming Nazis (with all the baggage that entails) were KNOWINGLY accepted by Catholics in Guatemala. We have no evidence of that. I am not even doubting the general idea of the story (i.e. that there are Germans or even Nazis in Guatemala), but Guatemala ain’t much of a Catholic country the last few decades, had a Protestant dictator (some called him a facist thug) 25 years ago already (ever hear of Rios Mont?), etc.
You’re not making much of a point here.
Most assuredly. How do you know which books make up the New Testament?
460 posted on 03/15/2008 8:08:22 PM CDT by big'ol_freeper ("...millions hate what they mistakenly think that the Catholic Church is." ~ Archbishop Fulton Sheen)
I answered you in #460.
I think you will find most Born Again Christians will tell you this is not The Gospel. If you don't know it how do you know what you are being taught is right?
Having a canned response to a question doesn't prove that someone is right. You're basically confusing glibness with correctness, an error that American voters make with disturbing regularity.
>So you actually believe Hitler was Catholic because he said so even though he was murdering Catholic priests?
There are Lutheran martyrs at the hand of Nazism too (e.g., Boenhoffer)
> Hitler was NOT Catholic after his childhood. He simply manipulated people when he wanted to.
That is correct. He would use whatever symbolism was at hand to twist people’s minds.
How do you know that most (or any) "Born Again Christians" are right?
Truth is still not determined by majority vote.
The Gospel tells me that The Church is protected from error. So Yes, I am assured that The Church, through its teaching, has made no errors in matters of teaching faith and morals.
What the Gospel does not say is that an individual or group of individuals who separate themselves from His divinely established Church are protected from error.
Thanks for your pings and labors of truth-in-love.
LUB
Little truth and zero love as far as I can see.
less than zero
I'm surprised you don't know The Gospel. It's even more surprising you think I'm spouting some contemporary pop culture truth.
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