Posted on 03/15/2008 10:17:55 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper
More than once during these talks I referred to Luther and what always occurred to me as his destructive influence. I pointed out that even in such an admirable book as Rohan Butler's “The Roots of National Socialism” the spiritual origins of Nazism and Luther's influence had not been given the necessary importance. Then I was asked if I would be prepared to elaborate to them—about a dozen of the very senior boys, that is—my own views on Luther and Lutheranism. I agreed—with the proviso that they would be my own views and nothing else. Admittedly, I had read more on Luther and about Luther than on most other subjects. But I wanted to make it quite clear that I would not speak to them with the voice of a great authority, but would merely give them my own interpretation. I told them, moreover, that I should try to prove how dangerous it is to accept legends; and that the picture I had of Luther and his influence was thoroughly contradictory of the customary Luther of the legend.
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Lot's better than going through life believing some reprobate in Rome is infallible and "another Christ."
So, of course, nothing more had to be said. I think England and the US had made their statements, too, but guess what, we still sent people to kill Hitler and his minions.
Fortunately, the Pope didn't have to say much to show the world how serious Rome thought the matter was. Apparently, the Pope didn't even have to excommunicate Hitler, so as to further ensure Hitler didn't have animus against the Catholic church
You wrote:
“It doesn’t matter a dang thing about how many Jewish lives he apparently saved, sitting quiet, when all we can know is that over 6 million Jews were killed and a world war was fought over the issue.”
1) WWII was NOT fought over the Jews. It started BEFORE the Holocaust began.
2) It does too matter how many he saved and it doesn’t really matter if he saved them loudly or quietly. A saved innocent life is a saved innocent life. Period.
“I DO NOT believe his supposed ‘pro-Jewish’ actions by being quiet were ever meant to help Jews.”
But that is exactly what they did so your opinion is meaningless.
“Where in the Bible does it say to stay silent about wrong? This solely shows the Pope found it expedient to stay silent.”
I always thought Matthew 10:16 taught such prudence.
“It was I, Martin Luther, who slew all the peasants in the insurrection, for I commanded them to be slaughtered. All their blood is upon my shoulders. But I cast it on our Lord God who commanded me to speak in this way” (E59, 284).
Hitler was a pagan and the state was his god.
They deny themselves the Holy Sacraments, and their malnourished souls wither and rot from within. Hate can be the only result.
Campion, sorry, I forgot to add your “nick to ping” on post #243
That's an insult. That's a big insult.
Moreover, it wouldn't matter if she had said "chocolate-pie eating Catholic"; it's still evading the question with a personal slam, yet another ad hominem.
Many historians claim he was Catholic.
See post 233.#
I would think that this is not much of a stretch for those that also believe that Darwin gave rise to Hitler.
Rabbi Dalin:
Of course one can ask: What could be worse than the extermination of 6 million Jews? The answer is simple and terribly honest: the killing of hundreds of thousands of other Jews. The revisionist critics of Pius XII know that both Jewish leaders as well as Catholic bishops, who came from occupied countries, advised Pacelli not to protest publicly against the atrocities committed by the Nazis.
We have evidence that, when the bishop of Munster wished to pronounce himself against the persecution of the Jews in Germany, the leaders of the Jewish communities of his diocese begged him not to do so, as it would have caused a harsher repression against them.
It functions as a smoke screen.
Hitler proclaimed himself: I am the God of Hell and Fire
America almost did not stop the wehrmacht.
So, they blame the Holy Father? How sick is this?
That wasn't really an option for the Pope, was it? I think a fellow named Garibaldi had taken that option off the table about a century before.
Apparently, the Pope didn't even have to excommunicate Hitler
As we've explained in this thread, Hitler was excommunicated literally hundreds of times without the Pope having to say or do a thing. He was in all likelihood excommunicated long before he became chancellor.
It functions as a smoke screen....or at least is intended to do so.
Evidently! We actually have to confront our own sins, mistakes, and foolishnesses, instead of passing them off on some guy in Rome!
However, I wouldn't bet on getting a "bad Pope did it" pass in the afterlife.
You wrote:
“So, of course, nothing more had to be said. I think England and the US had made their statements, too, but guess what, we still sent people to kill Hitler and his minions.”
So assassinating Elizabeth I would have been murder even though she was killing innocent people, but you imply the pope should have been trying to kill Hitler? By the way, did you know Pius XII actually gave his support to an attempt to assassinate Hitler? Would that have been a murder?
You proved yourself wrong:
“...I saved 200 million people over 50 years ago, and I wasn’t even born.”
Logical impossibility. It, therefore, never happened.
Thinking. Try it.
“The Jews are malignant snakes and imps”. “Whoever would like to cherish such adders and puny devils—who are the worst enemies of Christ and us all—to befriend them and to do them honour simply in order to be cheated, plundered, robbed, disgraced, and forced to howl and curse and suffer every kind of evil, to him I would commend the Jews. And if this be not enough, let him tell the Jews to use his mouth as a privy, or else crawl into the Jew’s hind parts, and there worship the holy thing, so as afterwards to be able to boast of having been merciful, and of having helped the Devil and his progeny to blaspheme our dear Lord.”
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