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Jesus Christ is God (John 8: 46-59)
DRBO ^ | 1st century A.D. | The Gospel According to John

Posted on 03/09/2008 8:33:45 PM PDT by Pyro7480

"At that time Jesus said to the multitudes of the Jews: 'Which of you shall convince me of sin? If I say the truth to you, why do you not believe me? He that is of God, heareth the words of God. Therefore you hear them not, because you are not of God.' The Jews therefore answered, and said to him: Do not we say well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil? Jesus answered: 'I have not a devil: but I honour my Father, and you have dishonoured me. But I seek not my own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth. Amen, amen I say to you: If any man keep my word, he shall not see death for ever.' The Jews therefore said: Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest: If any man keep my word, he shall not taste death for ever. Art thou greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? and the prophets are dead. Whom dost thou make thyself? Jesus answered: 'If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father that glorifieth me, of whom you say that he is your God. And you have not known him, but I know him. And if I shall say that I know him not, I shall be like to you, a liar. But I do know him, and do keep his word. Abraham your father rejoiced that he might see my day: he saw it, and was glad.' The Jews therefore said to him: Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said to them: 'Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am.' They took up stones therefore to cast at him. But Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple."


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: christ; god; jesus; jesuschrist; trinity
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To: Grizzled Bear
God came to Earth and showed us how to live.

The law showed us how to live. God, in the person of Jesus Christ, saved all how call upon his name from the penalty of the law.

41 posted on 03/10/2008 2:39:50 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Ezekiel; gogogodzilla; Eagle Eye; Diego1618; Jeremiah Jr
On this rudimentary subject, ggg, you are as well-received as the prophets of the Lord.
Prophets of Baal: 450
Prophets of the groves: 400
Elijah: 1
Fire from heaven: priceless


Anyone can decalre themselves a prophet ... or anyone else ...

But where is the fire from heaven ?

42 posted on 03/10/2008 4:19:21 AM PDT by Quester
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To: gogogodzilla

Jesus rose from the dead because He is God.

Q.E.D.

Take your Christian-hating trolling elsewhere.


43 posted on 03/10/2008 4:22:45 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Pyro7480
Jesus said to them: 'Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am.'

Is this statement in the other tree Gospels?

44 posted on 03/10/2008 4:28:03 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62
Jesus said to them: 'Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am.'

Is this statement in the other tree Gospels?


No ... all of the gospels contains some unique citations ... as is to be expected from four witnesses.

OTOH ... this statement is from Micah.
Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

45 posted on 03/10/2008 4:47:13 AM PDT by Quester
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To: Pyro7480
While Jesus is not the Father he certainly is in heaven now at his right hand making intercession (to who?) for mankind. God certainly has given him all authority.

Jesus said after the resurrection "all power is given unto me in heaven and in earth". who gave him that power?

Jesus told the young man who said "good master" "Why call you me good? there is none good except the Father in Heaven."

Jesus said he could do nothing of himself.

Jesus prayed to the Father to take the cup of the crucifixion from him if it were possible.

Jesus said he could pray to his Father and he would send legions of angels.

Jesus is the Son of God the Father. On this earth Jesus walked as a man like you or me except he always did the Fathers will and walked in the power of the Gospel, which is why he is an example for us. The things Jesus did we should be doing and more because he went to the Father. The problem for us is that Jesus was obedient to the Father and had perfect communication with him. We still follow the Law of Moses and wish to be judged by it instead of living by the law of faith in the death burial and resurrection of the Lord of the warfare Jesus Christ.

46 posted on 03/10/2008 5:02:07 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Quester
No ... all of the gospels contains some unique citations ... as is to be expected from four witnesses.

Yes, but shouldn't the most important statements be in all four or at least a majority, rather than one?

47 posted on 03/10/2008 5:23:28 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

“Yes, but shouldn’t the most important statements be in all four or at least a majority, rather than one?”

They were all written to different audiences.


48 posted on 03/10/2008 5:27:50 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: gogogodzilla
“Exactly, so ditch the lies.
Return to the true faith, the original faith. The faith given to us by G-d.
Anything else is a knowing and deliberate denunciation of G-d’s word.”

It is not to late for you personally to accept the truth that many Jewish leaders rejected almost 2,000 years.
Jesus came to pay for the sins of the entire world. We are all sinners (because we are human). God demands a price for sin, that price was paid, all we need to do is acknowledge that truth.
The early church was founded by many Jewish converts. They saw what Jesus had done with their own eyes.
Read a New Testament with an open mind and you will see the truth.
Or read online: http://www.biblegateway.com/

49 posted on 03/10/2008 5:38:36 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
They were all written to different audiences.

I think that's well accepted by scholars, but which audience gets into heaven? After all some who place the most emphasis on John believe you'll fry in hell for eternity if you don't accept it 100% without question.

50 posted on 03/10/2008 5:41:18 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: hellbender

Of course.


51 posted on 03/10/2008 6:17:36 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: DouglasKC
The Godhead is composed of two persons, the father and the son.

The Godhead is composed of three Persons - Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

52 posted on 03/10/2008 6:26:43 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: FormerLib

So many heresies, so little time. ;-)


53 posted on 03/10/2008 6:27:36 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: gogogodzilla

He still lives. He sits today at the right hand of the Father, a very real living Jewish human who is God the Son.


54 posted on 03/10/2008 6:39:34 AM PDT by Cvengr (Fear sees the problem emotion never solves. Faith sees & accepts the solution, problem solved.)
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To: gogogodzilla

So who do you say Jesus was?


55 posted on 03/10/2008 6:45:08 AM PDT by Cvengr (Fear sees the problem emotion never solves. Faith sees & accepts the solution, problem solved.)
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To: gogogodzilla
Care to point out any texts that state that G-d is supposed to die in the flesh prior to Christ?

And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
- Daniel 9:26a
Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.
- Isaiah 53:12
In particular, read Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22.
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Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
- 1 John 2:22-23

56 posted on 03/10/2008 7:13:44 AM PDT by Sopater (A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left. ~ Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: gogogodzilla

You sound like a Pharisee on the one hand, and a Saducee on the other. Just saying....


57 posted on 03/10/2008 7:17:45 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: yam

58 posted on 03/10/2008 7:19:35 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: Pyro7480; gogogodzilla
The Godhead is composed of two persons, the father and the son.
The Godhead is composed of three Persons - Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

That is certainly what tradition teaches, but the bible does not teach and early Christians did not have a conception that the holy spirit was a separate person in the Godhead.

59 posted on 03/10/2008 8:05:45 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
"early Christians did not have a conception that the holy spirit was a separate person in the Godhead."

Jesus Christ considered Him a separate person of the Godhead. That's sufficient testimony for myself.

60 posted on 03/10/2008 8:08:00 AM PDT by Cvengr (Fear sees the problem emotion never solves. Faith sees & accepts the solution, problem solved.)
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