Posted on 02/22/2008 5:31:45 PM PST by DouglasKC
Shortly before His crucifixion and resurrection, Jesus Christ delivered a major prophecy of end-time events, recorded in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. He was asked by His disciples: "When will these things be? And what will be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?" (Matthew 24:3).
Jesus responded with a description of conditions and events that would lead up to His second coming. Moreover, He said that when these signs became evident, His return would occur within one generation (Matthew 24:34). Could this be that generation?
Throughout the nearly 2,000 years since Christ gave His prophecy, many have thought that theirs was the time of His return—and turned out to be wrong, of course. But interestingly, there are a number of prophecies in the Bible that could not be fulfilled until our modern era, the post–World War II period.
1. The human race would have the ability to exterminate itself
In Matthew 24:22, describing world conditions prior to His second coming, Jesus said that "if that time of troubles were not cut short, no living thing could survive; but for the sake of God's chosen it will be cut short" (Revised English Bible).
The main message that Jesus Christ brought was of the coming Kingdom of God. This is described as "the gospel" (Mark 1:14). Gospel means "good news." While some of the prophecies concerning events prior to the establishment of the Kingdom can seem negative, we should always keep in mind that the central focus of Bible prophecy is the good news (gospel) of the coming Kingdom of God.
Matthew 24:22 shows us that if Jesus Christ does not intervene in world affairs, the human race will be faced with extinction. It's crucial to note that humanity has had the capability for self-annihilation for only a little more than 50 years, since both the United States and the Soviet Union developed and stockpiled hydrogen bombs and the world had to learn to live with "mutually assured destruction."
At that time there were only three nuclear powers ( Britain being the other). By the middle of the 1960s France and China had joined the nuclear club. Today at least eight nations have nuclear warheads and the number looks set to increase with a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.
Of course, the more nuclear powers we have in the world, the more likely it is that someone will use this deadly force for evil.
Although international attention has been focused on the nuclear programs of North Korea and Iran during the last few years, little attention has been given to the possibility of some or all of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal falling into the hands of radical Islamists.
During the ongoing crisis in Pakistan, the Taliban and al-Qaeda and their sympathizers have steadily gained more power, territory and influence, making nuclear terrorism more likely. Consider the consequences for the rest of the world if Osama bin Laden (or others like him) had access to nuclear weapons!
Meanwhile, Russia and China are determinedly flexing their military muscles, raising fears of a return to Cold War–era tensions.
The good news in all this is that Christians have an assurance that Jesus Christ will intervene to save mankind from annihilation. This prophecy could not be fulfilled until man had the potential for self-extinction through weapons of mass destruction. Again, only in the last 50 years has this become possible.
2. A Jewish homeland had to be reestablished in the Middle East
Geopolitically, the central focus of end-time events is Jerusalem and its environs, what many people refer to as the Holy Land.
Luke 21 is a parallel chapter to Matthew 24. Notice Luke's account of Christ's long prophecy that answered the disciples' questions: "Teacher, . . . when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?" (Luke 21:7).
In response, Jesus showed that Jerusalem would be the central focus of the political and military upheavals that would immediately precede His return: "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near . . . For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled" (verses 20-22).
Anyone living a century ago would have found these words nearly impossible to comprehend. Jerusalem in ancient times had been fought over countless times, but for four centuries from 1517 the city had been at peace within the boundaries of the Ottoman Empire. Jews lived there as a minority under Turkish rule. But this was going to change dramatically during the course of the 20th century.
It had to change for the fulfillment of Bible prophecy to take place.
The Old Testament prophet Zechariah was used by God to reveal a great deal about end-time events and the second coming of the Messiah. Zechariah lived and prophesied more than 500 years before Christ's first coming, yet his prophetic book tells us a great deal about our world of today.
In Zechariah 12:2-3 God says: "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah [the Jews inhabiting the land of Israel] and Jerusalem. And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it."
In verse 9 He adds, "It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem."
Reading these verses, it is possible to think that they apply to ancient events, as Jerusalem has been fought over repeatedly down through the ages. However, chapter 14 makes clear that this is talking about future, not past, events. The time setting is immediately before Jesus Christ's return.
"Behold, the day of the Lord is coming . . . For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; the city shall be taken, the houses rifled, and the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity . . . Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle.
"And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, from east to west, making a very large valley; half of the mountain shall move toward the north and half of it toward the south" (Zechariah 14:1-4).
Clearly the last few lines of this prophecy remain to be fulfilled.
Further in this same chapter we read of how those nations that came against Jerusalem will have to go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, Jesus Christ (verse 16).
These chapters of Zechariah are a prophecy about the events that precede and include the second coming of Jesus. A Jewish-controlled Jerusalem is notice-ably the central focus.
Shortly before Zechariah, another Jewish prophet named Daniel lived during the time of the captivity of the Jews in Babylon. His book speaks of the Jews' daily sacrifices being cut off in the end time (Daniel 12:11; see verses 1-13)—an event that had a forerunner in the temple defilement under Syrian ruler Antiochus Epiphanes in the second century B.C.
However, Jesus Christ confirmed this as a future event to precede His return (compare Daniel 11:31; Matthew 24:15). This means that these sacrifices must first be reinstituted in Jerusalem—requiring Jewish rule over the city.
One hundred years ago such developments were hard to imagine for the simple reason that no independent Jewish political entity existed in the Middle East.
After rebelling against the Romans in A.D. 66 and again in 132, Judea was crushed and most of the remaining Jews were dispersed throughout the Roman Empire and beyond. No Jewish homeland existed again until 1948 when the modern nation of Israel was established.
An independent Jewish homeland was merely a dream for a small group of zealots a century ago. It moved a step nearer during World War I, when forces of the British Commonwealth took control of Jerusalem from the Turks in December 1916. A few months later, the British government pledged itself to the establishment of an independent Jewish homeland in the ancient lands the Jews had inhabited for centuries.
It was to be another 30 years before the dream was realized in 1948. Yet since then tiny Israel has had to fight wars for survival in 1948, 1967 and 1973 and has suffered countless terrorist attacks and threats of annihilation from hostile neighbors determined to eliminate the Jewish state.
Once again, here is a prophecy that can now be fulfilled in our time.
3. The end-time king of the North and king of the South
In Daniel 11 we find an amazing prophecy about two leaders, the kings of the North and South, the heads of regions that were geographically north and south of the Holy Land. To understand this prophecy we have to go to the time of Alexander the Great, who lived near the end of the fourth century B.C., 200 years after Daniel.
Alexander figures prominently throughout the book of Daniel, even though Daniel did not know his name and never knew him personally. He couldn't have, since he died almost two centuries before Alexander appeared on the world stage.
But God revealed to Daniel that after Babylon, Persia would arise as the greatest power of the region, to be followed in turn by Greece. Not surprisingly, the prophecies regarding the rise of Greece are centered on Alexander the Great, one of the greatest conquerors in history.
Daniel 8 gives a vivid account of the coming clash between Persia and Greece. As you read it, remember that a horn symbolizes royal power and authority. Persia had "two horns and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher one came up last." This refers to the Medo-Persian Empire, the coming together of two nations or peoples. As foretold here in verse 3, the Persians rose to greatness after the Medes.
In verse 5 we read of Persia's later defeat by Alexander the Great: "And as I was considering, suddenly a male goat came from the west, across the surface of the whole earth, without touching the ground; and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes" (verse 5).
The "notable horn" or royal leader was Alexander the Great. The prophecy about his army not even touching the ground is a reference to the incredible speed with which he conquered the known world. All this was achieved in a very short time. Alexander died in 323 B.C. when he was only about 33 years old.
Even his sudden, unexpected death was prophesied: "The male goat grew very great; but when he became strong, the large horn was broken, and in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven" (verse 8).
When Alexander died, his empire was eventually divided between four of his generals—the four "notable horns" mentioned here. Two of these established dynasties would have a profound effect on the Jewish people, caught in the middle between them. These two dynasties were the descendants of Seleucus, who ruled a vast empire from Antioch in Syria, north of Jerusalem, and Ptolemy, who ruled Egypt from Alexandria.
Daniel 11 is a long and detailed prophecy about the dynastic conflicts between these two powers, their respective leaders being referred to as "the king of the North" and "the king of the South." Of great significance is that whenever they went to battle against each other, the Jews got trampled on. This was to continue from the time of Alexander until the middle of the second century B.C., a period of almost two centuries.
Then, suddenly, the prophecy jumps down to the end time.
In verse 40 we read: "At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them and pass through. He shall also enter the Glorious Land [the Holy Land], and many countries shall be overthrown" (Daniel 11:40-41).
While we don't have space here to cover all the details, the latter part of Daniel's prophecy of the North-South conflict describes a clash of civilizations between the leader of a soon-coming European superpower—a revived Roman Empire (successor to Seleucid Syrian rule)—and a leader who is the successor to the Ptolemaic rule of Egypt, which is now part of the Islamic world. (To learn more, request or download our free booklet The Middle East in Bible Prophecy.)
We now see geopolitical conditions lining up for this inevitable clash. Here is yet another prophesied circumstance for which the stage has now been set within our lifetime!
4. An end-time union of European nations
In Daniel 2 and 7 we see prophecies about four great gentile empires that would arise in the period between the time of Daniel and the coming establishment of the Kingdom of God (Daniel 2:44). Daniel was himself living in the first of these great empires (Daniel 7:4) as a Jewish exile in ancient Babylon.
Following the fall of Babylon in 539 B.C., Persia would become the greatest power, to be followed by Greece (verses 5-6). After Greece came the Roman Empire, "dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong." This empire was to have "ten horns" and would continue in some form until the establishment of God's Kingdom at Christ's return (verses 7-9).
As we saw in the previous section, horns represent leaders or governments. Here these 10 horns symbolize 10 attempts to restore the Roman Empire to the power it had in ancient times. Various attempts at a restoration have taken place since the fall of the Western Roman Empire in A.D. 476. A final attempt is to be made shortly before Christ's return.
We find more details in Revelation 17. Here we read of a final attempt to revive the Roman Empire by "ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast" (verses 12-13).
They will also "make war with the Lamb [Jesus Christ], and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings" (verse 14). Again, it is clear that this prophecy is still future.
Previous attempts to forge a united European empire, from Justinian in the sixth century through Charlemagne, Napoleon, Mussolini and Hitler, all involved force. The final resurrection of the Roman Empire will not be attempted in the same way.
Revelation 17 suggests this will be a voluntary union. When these 10 leaders receive power, they will then give their authority to a single leader. Scripture refers to both this individual and the new superpower he leads as "the beast"—acknowledging it as the continuation of the four gentile empires prophesied in Daniel, each one depicted as a beast or wild animal.
Only now is it possible for this to be fulfilled.
In 1957, the Treaty of Rome was signed by six European nations that formed the European Economic Community. Today the EEC has grown into the European Union (EU) with 27 member nations. Out of these will likely come the 10 nations or 10 leaders that form the final resurrection of the Roman Empire. (For more details, read "The Coming European Superpower" beginning on page 13.)
Some have speculated that the 10 kings referred to in this prophecy will be leaders of 10 regions of the EU that will redraw the boundaries of Europe, ending the present nation-states. The Bible is not clear on exactly which 10 regions or nations will configure the final revival of the militaristic Roman superpower—only that this new superpower will indeed emerge just before Christ's return.
However, it wasn't until the 10th nation, Greece, was admitted in 1981 that any conceivable fulfillment of this prophecy was even possible.
5. End-time rise and fall of Israel and Judah
" Israel" was the new name God gave the biblical patriarch Jacob in Genesis 32. The 12 tribes of Israel were descended from his 12 sons. These tribes later formed a united kingdom.
It's been almost 3,000 years since the kingdom of Israel was split in two. Ten of the 12 tribes of Israel rebelled against King Rehoboam, the son of King Solomon and grandson of King David. The Bible continued to refer to these 10 tribes as Israel while the other two tribes (Judah and Benjamin) that remained loyal to David's descendants were known as the kingdom of Judah or simply Judah.
Sometimes Israel is referred to as the northern kingdom and Judah as the southern kingdom. Dominant among the northern tribes were to be the descendants of Jacob's son Joseph through his sons Ephraim and Manasseh—prophesied by Jacob to be the chief nations of the world in the last days (Genesis 49:1, 22-26; compare Deuteronomy 33:13-17).
About 200 years after the kingdom split, the northern tribes of Israel fell to Assyria and were deported by the Assyrians to the northern parts of their empire. Often referred to now as the lost tribes, they later migrated northwest across Europe, eventually settling in new homelands far from the Middle East.
The kingdom of Judah fell to Babylon more than a century after Israel's deportation, but its people were not lost to history. We know them today as the Jews.
The name Ephraim is sometimes used representatively in Scripture for the entire northern kingdom, though it can also refer solely to the descendants of Joseph's son of that name—prophesied to become a "multitude of nations" (Genesis 48:19). Remarkably, this promise to Ephraim was fulfilled in the British Empire and Commonwealth.
Ephraim's older brother Manasseh was also prophesied to become a great nation (same verse), separating himself from the multitude of nations. This prophecy would be fulfilled in the formation, growth and dominance of the United States of America.
In a revealing prophecy regarding the United States and Britain, Jacob (Israel) said, "Let my name be named upon them" (verse 16). References to " Israel" in end-time prophecy often refer to the United States or the English-speaking countries of the British Empire or both. Sometimes " Israel" can mean all 12 tribes. We have to look at specific verses in their context to see which is meant.
"Judah," however, always refers to the Jews, the descendants of the house or kingdom of Judah. We must also understand that the modern nation called Israel is really Judah, made up of Jews. (For much more detail, download or request our free booklet The United States and Britain in Bible Prophecy.)
Understanding this critical part of biblical history will help us more fully comprehend a passage of Scripture in the book of Hosea, which is a prophecy about Ephraim (the multitude of nations—Great Britain and some of those nations that came out of her). It warns of destruction to follow the end-time ascendancy of the Israelite nations.
In Hosea 5 we read a prophecy that mentions Israel, Ephraim and Judah: "The pride of Israel testifies to his face; therefore Israel and Ephraim stumble in their iniquity; Judah also stumbles with them" (verse 5). The prophecy continues: "With their flocks and herds they shall go to seek the Lord, but they will not find Him; He has withdrawn Himself from them. They have dealt treacherously with the Lord, for they have begotten pagan children. Now a New Moon shall devour them and their heritage" (verses 6-7).
New moons occur a month apart. A new moon "devouring" them would seem to mean that Israel, Ephraim and Judah will all fall within one month.
This prophecy was not fulfilled in ancient times. As already mentioned, ancient Judah fell to Babylon more than a century after Israel fell to Assyria. Yet in the end it appears they will fall together—within one month of each other. This prophecy remains to be fulfilled.
Remember that Israel gave his name to Ephraim and Manasseh, the ancestors in turn of the British and American peoples. As Ephraim is mentioned separately in this prophecy, the reference to " Israel" must apply to the United States, which is now the more dominant of the two nations.
For two centuries prior to World War II, the roles were reversed with the multitude of nations—the British Empire—a greater power than the single nation, the United States. But today America is the greater.
"Judah" refers to the Jewish people, particularly those who now constitute the modern nation in the Middle East that calls itself Israel.
Here then is a prophecy regarding all three nations—the United States, Britain and Israel (Judah). According to this prophecy, it appears that all three will fall within the span of a month. Verse 6 shows these nations turning back to God, but finding it's too late. Because of their sins, He will let them suffer defeat and collapse.
This prophecy could not have been fulfilled until after the rise of Britain and the United States as world powers in the 19th century and the formation of the Jewish state of Israel in the 20th.
Lest the idea seem outlandish, consider that Israel and the United States are perhaps the most maligned and criticized nations on earth. Among Muslim hard-liners, America is commonly called "the great Satan" and Israel and Britain "the little Satans."
6. The gospel will be preached in all the world
In His major end-time prophecy, Jesus answers the question posed by the disciples: "When will these things be? And what will be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?" (Matthew 24:3).
After listing a number of signs of the nearness of His coming, He reveals that "this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come" (verse 14).
The gospel is the good news of the coming Kingdom of God. This message could not be preached around the world without the Bible and freedom of religion. Both came gradually with the ascendancy of the English-speaking peoples from the 16th century until the present day.
However, it was only with the technological advances of television and radio and other means of mass communication after World War II and their widespread acceptance that it became possible to reach hundreds of millions of human beings with the message of the Bible. The gospel of the Kingdom of God will continue to be preached to all nations as long as we have the freedom to continue The Good News magazine and our other media efforts.
Even so, during the last 50 years it has not been possible to reach all countries. The former communist nations did not allow freedom of religion. China, with one quarter of the world's people, still does not. Other nations also try to suppress the publication of biblical truth and even the Bible itself. Many Islamic nations do not allow religious freedom. In some countries people risk the death penalty for changing religion.
But the Internet is changing everything. It is much harder for governments to control. The gospel message of the coming Kingdom of God is still going out to the world. It will finish when God has decided that His work is completed and the time is right for the final end-time events to take place.
This is yet another prophecy that could not be fulfilled until recent times.
7. Instant worldwide communications and God's final witnesses
Another end-time Bible prophecy could not be fulfilled until this era of instant worldwide communications.
In His major end-time prophecy of Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21, Jesus gave an outline of disasters that would occur on the world scene with increasing frequency and magnitude—to the point where people would be shaken with fear (Luke 21:26). Discerning an increase in the scale of these events and reacting to them requires knowing about them.
At the time this prophecy was given, it could be many months or years before people heard about various disasters—and many they would never hear about at all, much less be able to put together the fact that catastrophes were on some kind of global increase.
Only with the proliferation of newspapers and other forms of mass communications did this become remotely possible. Yet the level of awareness and consequent fear in many that Christ speaks of implies an even greater availability of information—possible only since the development of rapid electronic communications.
In any case, only with the technological advances of the last few years has it become possible for the events in Revelation 11 to occur—for people around the world to see the fate of God's final two witnesses.
These two witnesses, reminiscent of other biblical prophets like Elijah and Elisha, will carry God's final warning to the world in the last 3 1/2 years leading up to Christ's return.
"And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days . . . When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
"Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth" (verses 3, 7-10).
Note that people the world over will be able to see their dead bodies during the 3 1 ⁄ 2 days that they lie on display in Jerusalem. This was not possible before satellite television, portable communications devices and the Internet. Again, only in the last few years has it become possible for this prophecy to be fulfilled. It still lies in the future, of course, but only now it is clearly possible for this to take place.
Will this generation see God's Kingdom established on earth?
We have seen how seven biblically prophesied circumstances could not have come to pass until recent times. In fact, the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948 was clearly a major turning point in the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, as was the acquisition of the hydrogen bomb by the two superpowers of the 1950s that led to the period of mutually assured destruction.
All has now become possible. This, in turn, makes it much more likely that our generation will live to see Jesus Christ return and establish the Kingdom of God on earth. After all, Jesus Himself said that once these things begin, the generation alive at that time "will by no means pass away till all these things take place" (Matthew 24:34).
It's both sobering and encouraging to think that we appear to be living in the generation that will ultimately witness the most important event in the history of mankind. As Jesus Christ tells His followers in Luke 21:28, "Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." GN
All 12 tribes were represented in the south. God even addresses the 12 tribes in the south: “Speak unto Rehoboam the son of Solomon, king of Judah, and to all Israel in Judah and Benjamin....” 2 Chronicles 11:3
The “tribe of Judah” (2 Kings 17:18, et al.) is used idiomatically for the Southern Kingdom. When encountering the tribal designations, it is important to distinguish between the territories allocated to the tribes and the people themselves.
Have you done something bad lately?
Oh no, I’m perfect. I meant for other people who haven’t attained the sinless perfection of my life.
You’re kidding aren’t you? In case you’re wondering, I am kidding. Definitely not perfect here!
Yup! He says in verse 19...."these are the horns that scattered Judah & Israel". In chapter 4 he refers to them as "Olive Trees" (Israel and Judah). The same as [Revelation 11:4][Romans 11][Jeremiah 11:16-17].
[Zechariah 8:13] And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong. He is speaking of future events.
You said that Israel had long since been lost as a political unit. During this time, after the return of Judah from Babylon, was when the books of the Kings and Chronicles were written. If you recall [II Kings 17:24] says that "Israel"....the Northern Ten Tribes, were still in Assyria. They weren't lost. Everyone knew where there were. And they were still a viable political unit as the Assyrian Empire disintegrated around 600 B.C. The Israelites of the north, taken captive around 721 B.C. had been on their own for about 100 years when these books (Kings and Chronicles) were written! Many had already begun to migrate as indicated in [Amos 9:9].
They have been referred to as "The Lost Tribes" because they were lost to history these last 2000 years. But.....everyone during the first century and before knew who they were.....and where they were. They were a very viable political unit, and as a body....lived outside the Holy Land.
You may recall my quote from Josephus. You can find it here! [Antiquities of the Jews, Book XI, Chapter 5, Paragraph 2] To reiterate....he says the ten tribes during the first century lived beyond the Euphrates....and were so numerous no one could count them. This sounds like a very viable political unit.
Two paragraphs so far.....two major errors. Israel and Judah were not restored during the silent years and Israel had not been lost as a political unit.
I am still noticing in subsequent posts by you that there is still confusion about who are the Jews and who are the rest of Israel. You seem to be lumping them all together yet so I will repeat All Jews are Israelites....not all Israelites are Jews. The Kingdom of Judah became known as Judea during the first century and you will see that the term Jew used in [Esther 2:5] means in the Hebrew: 3064. Yhuwdiy (yeh-hoo-dee')a Jehudite (i.e. Judaite or Jew), or descendant of Jehudah (i.e. Judah) In [John 4:9] it means in the Greek: 2453. Ioudaios (ee-oo-dah'-yos)as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah (These two scriptures are simply the first time in both Testaments that the term "Jew" is used) There are other scriptures, of course....in the plural meaning the same thing.
In other words.....folks from the tribe of Naphtali were not Jews. Folks from the tribe of Reuben were not Jews. Folks from the tribe of Dan were not Jews. Folks from the tribe of..................you get the idea? But, folks from the tribe of Judah were Jews and also those of Benjamin and Levi who came to live with Judah.....and were not part of the Assyrian deportation. These three tribes all were known as Jews. As a side matter.....you would be hard pressed today to find "A Jew" living in Modern Day Israel who did not claim to be a descendant from one of these three tribes!
You may recall my quote from Josephus...
Uhm yeah, but that is extra biblical at best and SATANIC LIES at the most likely.
It is the utter concept of Jews being anyone but Jews that I reject in totality. For all the reasons I have presented.
There isn’t even any NEED for such a crazy theory because the Jews HAVE been regathered in the land.
THAT was the very thing that sinful man could NOT SEE HOW it would come to happen, so they INVENTED this lie about who the Jews were and are.
Now that lie has become even MORE Perverted when it begins to alter the true meaning of the REST of the Gospel.
Which of course is the REAL reason SATAN invented it and put it into the hearts of the unGodly.
Satan knew he would use it to confuse people over the MOST critical point of the 2nd coming....
The IMMINENT RETURN!
There have not been, nor are there now, ANYTHINGS which must happen to precede the return.
The Early Church Expected Christ IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE.
So do I.
I am not looking for ANY SIGNS or other nonsense. A wicked Generation seeks after signs.
I am looking for CHRIST.
And I am aggressively debunking anyone and anything which seeks to put something else in the way of that.
He could come within the very hour right NOW as you read this!
I see my original suspicions were correct. In a short space of time you have called me "Satanic; Crazy; Sinful; a Liar; a Pervert; UnGodly; Nonsensical and Wicked".
I have presented a very limited case to you at this point ....of my beliefs. It is apparent that you do not wish to continue as you are exhibiting intense hatred of something you know nothing of. This in itself tells me that the exercise is pointless. It seems most everything is going over your head anyway.
You can take a last shot at me......I won't respond.
[Matthew 7:1-2]
This is one of the clearest, most well reasoned summaries I’ve seen on this issue. Thanks for posting.
MM (in TX)
What a blessing to read the seven wonderful replies to you. His will be done.
Hi Douglas...I know there are different views on the return of Christ. All this pre-, post-, anil-, is too confusing for me. I simply believe that Christ will return, and that’s that. The judgment. It makes everthing rather tidy in my mind.
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Goodness! Harley! You are sounding more reasonable all the time. LOL.
I used to feel that way on first hearing of all the silly notions.
Seems to me, Scripture is moderately clear . . . The judgment seat of Christ for the Believer either happens at the moment of death or it happens at a different time. If a different time, it’s not crystal clear to me when it would be. The Great White Throne judgment appears to happen at the end of the 1,000 year millenial reign but I wouldn’t want to be dogmatic about it.
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They change their interpretation to suit current events. Not only that, for them to reject the church as the chosen people of Christ is to reject the heart of the Bible. People can make Revelation say just about anything they want.
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Not my reality, Harley.
Arguable aspects to Revelation, I hold loosely and wait and see what God confirms. Some things seem to be fairly clear.
There’s so much demonic activity on earth now. It’s increasing. We are in the midst of a horrendous spiritual warfare for the soul of our nation and for individual souls who are blinded. Prayer is the only way to break it. M
True!
And look... there they are.
Are there “some” who aren’t? Sure, always happens that way. Not all Africans are in Africa. Not all Americans are in America. Big whooop. You can’t invent doctrine when the Bible is explicit.
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Excellent post.
Thanks.
Fascinating post.
Thanks.
I appreciate your enthusiasm for the return of Christ. I'm certain both diego and I share that same enthusiasm.
However, there are a couple of errors you've made in your philosophy from a biblical viewpoint.
You said "a wicked generation seeks after signs" which implies that anyone who tries to discern the signs of the end are doing something they shouldn't. But that's not what Christ meant at all.
Mat 16:1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would show them a sign from heaven.
Mat 16:2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
Mat 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather today: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
Mat 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonah. And he left them, and departed.
The pharisee's and sadducees wanted Christ to show a sign that he was the messiah. All the signs were already there, but they couldn't see them. The only sign Jesus would give to show them he was the messiah was this:
Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonah:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
So your statement doesn't match the meaning Christ attached to the same words.
As far as the signs of the times, Jesus was quite clear that we are to be diligent and to discern them. Matthew 24 is a summation of end time events. In it Christ tells us a number of signs and events to watch out for. He then says:
Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
As far as deception and Christians, the biggest deception will be played on those who DO NOT know scripture. Those who do not know the signs that God revealed to his servants and rely on men, tradition, or their own human reasoning to determine the signs of the times.
At the same time, the return of Christ *could* be imminent. End time events can happen rapidly. God can slow down or speed up his prophetic timetable for his own purposes. So I don't think there's a contradiction between end time prophecies that need to be fulfilled and the imminent return of Christ.
Reading some of your posts, it's apparent you don't really understand this doctrine.
1. Up until the new covenant any blessings or promises given by God to Israel were only applicable to physical Israelites. However, everyone understands that under the new covenant gentiles have been "grafted" into Israel:
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Gentiles, before Christ, were without hope. Strangers from God's promises. Now one DOES NOT have to be a racial Israelite to partake in God's promises. Black, white, red, green, blue...it doesn't matter. All who hold to Christ are subject to God's promises.
2. There WERE physical blessings promised to Israel. When God makes promises, he WILL honor them. He cannot lie. But these physical blessings ALSO apply to racial Israelites who just by virtue of their relationship to Abraham take part in them. Some may be horrible people, but God made promises to Abraham that MUST be fulfilled.
3. Mathematics seem to dictate that there would now be a VAST number of Israelites descended from Abraham. Many many more than simply the ones who identify themselves as "Jews" today. Diego has done an admirable job of pointing out that the bible makes it very clear that there is a difference between the tribe of Judah (Jews) and the other tribes. We KNOW that these other tribes were apart from Jews in biblical times.
4. The United States, Great Britain and many other nations have, throughout most of their history, been Christian. The United States and Great Britain seem to have fulfilled many of the physical promises given by God to Israel. I find it very likely that the vast majority of people who comprise the United States are descendants of Abraham. And I'm not talking about just whites. There's been so much interbreeding that a black can be more of a physical Israelite than some white appearing person maybe. But that doesn't even really matter because as pointed out a non-Christian that is white, black, red, green or blue may be benefactors of the physical blessings, but still be strangers from the promise of eternal life which is only given through Christ.
For more information about physical promises see God's Commitment to Abraham and his Descendents
Good luck and God bless in your studies.
I have called the DOCTRINE Satantic and Lies and Perverted and unGodly. You have called this Hatred.
That is the only part you got right. For I do HATE all things evil, satanic, perverted and unGodly. God HATES it too.
As for taking things personal... hey that’s between you and God and yer own conscience... guilty or otherwise, I haven’t and won’t say.
Like Harry Truman’s famous quote... “I just givem the truth and they THINK it’s hell”.
No Doug,
That is the entire problem. There are only three people on Earth. Those not looking for anything because they don’t know anything. Those looking for SIGNS. And those looking for CHRIST.
You cannot BE in two or more camps on this one. This is WHY this False Doctrine is SOOOO BAD!!
You are telling people “Christ ain’t coming yet because X Y & Z haven’t happened yet”
And the Bible is clear on that:
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of His coming?... II Peter 3:3-4
“And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” (Luke 21:36)
Again Doug, that is the false claim. That is why there is the curse against claiming to be a Jew. You are NOT defacto entitiled to that Blessing. You don’t get it. You have a superior blessing or an inferior one (if you want to look at it so) but you (assuming you ARE born again of water and the spirit) have a DIFFERENT covenant and blessing. Period.
And this false doctrine teaches TWO EVILS:
#1 it says there are signs we are waiting for... BZZZZT! Wrong, there are no signs, He’s on his way RIGHT NOW GET YER AFFAIRS IN ORDER!
#2 you get to BE Jews and just in case yer a little too comfy in yer sin, hey, no worries, everyone is a Jew now anyway so relax!
That’ll send a whole LOT of folks to Hell... Maybe not YOU... maybe you get the big picture, but yer NOT helping the unsaved find Christ by telling them they are covered by the Covenant of Abraham, NOR are you helping Christians with their rewards by telling them to look for SIGNS FIRST!
I always wondered about such Bible Prophecies.
Couldn't God just amend them or make new ones at his whim and if he does, how will we know?
If a Bible Prophet comes forward Today he is deemed a nut job.
This has always worried me. How do we know God has not sent someone with New Words to live by and we just aren't listening.
I am well read Will. We read indeed and trained to deal with Cults and Evil Doctrine. Count on it.
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