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To: Diego1618

You may recall my quote from Josephus...

Uhm yeah, but that is extra biblical at best and SATANIC LIES at the most likely.

It is the utter concept of Jews being anyone but Jews that I reject in totality. For all the reasons I have presented.

There isn’t even any NEED for such a crazy theory because the Jews HAVE been regathered in the land.

THAT was the very thing that sinful man could NOT SEE HOW it would come to happen, so they INVENTED this lie about who the Jews were and are.

Now that lie has become even MORE Perverted when it begins to alter the true meaning of the REST of the Gospel.

Which of course is the REAL reason SATAN invented it and put it into the hearts of the unGodly.

Satan knew he would use it to confuse people over the MOST critical point of the 2nd coming....

The IMMINENT RETURN!

There have not been, nor are there now, ANYTHINGS which must happen to precede the return.

The Early Church Expected Christ IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE.

So do I.

I am not looking for ANY SIGNS or other nonsense. A wicked Generation seeks after signs.

I am looking for CHRIST.

And I am aggressively debunking anyone and anything which seeks to put something else in the way of that.

He could come within the very hour right NOW as you read this!


185 posted on 02/29/2008 9:33:00 PM PST by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: RachelFaith
Uhm yeah, but that is extra biblical at best and SATANIC LIES at the most likely.There isn’t even any NEED for such a crazy theory because the Jews HAVE been regathered in the land.THAT was the very thing that sinful man could NOT SEE HOW it would come to happen, so they INVENTED this lie about who the Jews were and are.Now that lie has become even MORE Perverted when it begins to alter the true meaning of the REST of the Gospel.Which of course is the REAL reason SATAN invented it and put it into the hearts of the unGodly.I am not looking for ANY SIGNS or other nonsense. A wicked Generation seeks after signs

I see my original suspicions were correct. In a short space of time you have called me "Satanic; Crazy; Sinful; a Liar; a Pervert; UnGodly; Nonsensical and Wicked".

I have presented a very limited case to you at this point ....of my beliefs. It is apparent that you do not wish to continue as you are exhibiting intense hatred of something you know nothing of. This in itself tells me that the exercise is pointless. It seems most everything is going over your head anyway.

You can take a last shot at me......I won't respond.

[Matthew 7:1-2]

186 posted on 02/29/2008 10:16:24 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: RachelFaith; Diego1618
The IMMINENT RETURN! There have not been, nor are there now, ANYTHINGS which must happen to precede the return. The Early Church Expected Christ IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE. So do I. I am not looking for ANY SIGNS or other nonsense. A wicked Generation seeks after signs. I am looking for CHRIST.

I appreciate your enthusiasm for the return of Christ. I'm certain both diego and I share that same enthusiasm.

However, there are a couple of errors you've made in your philosophy from a biblical viewpoint.

You said "a wicked generation seeks after signs" which implies that anyone who tries to discern the signs of the end are doing something they shouldn't. But that's not what Christ meant at all.

Mat 16:1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would show them a sign from heaven.
Mat 16:2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
Mat 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather today: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
Mat 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonah. And he left them, and departed.

The pharisee's and sadducees wanted Christ to show a sign that he was the messiah. All the signs were already there, but they couldn't see them. The only sign Jesus would give to show them he was the messiah was this:

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonah:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

So your statement doesn't match the meaning Christ attached to the same words.

As far as the signs of the times, Jesus was quite clear that we are to be diligent and to discern them. Matthew 24 is a summation of end time events. In it Christ tells us a number of signs and events to watch out for. He then says:

Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

As far as deception and Christians, the biggest deception will be played on those who DO NOT know scripture. Those who do not know the signs that God revealed to his servants and rely on men, tradition, or their own human reasoning to determine the signs of the times.

At the same time, the return of Christ *could* be imminent. End time events can happen rapidly. God can slow down or speed up his prophetic timetable for his own purposes. So I don't think there's a contradiction between end time prophecies that need to be fulfilled and the imminent return of Christ.

193 posted on 03/01/2008 1:41:46 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: RachelFaith
Did you read and study the fragments you use as evidence, being unconvinced either way, and their sheer weight forced a belief on you out of logical necessity? Or were you presented with the belief system, convinced of its truth, then found the fragments to support its demands?

195 posted on 03/01/2008 7:39:54 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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