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Posted on 02/22/2008 9:11:12 AM PST by Zakeet
They're called the "Lost Boys," the teenagers kicked out of their homes and communities by leaders of the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to ensure there's an ample supply of single, young women who will one day become plural wives. Representative Lorie Fowlke (R-Orem), is running a bill to make this abandonment a felony.
"Estimates are that we've had more than 1,000 children - primarily in southern Utah - thrown out of their homes," Fowlke says. "What we were trying to do with this bill is criminalize this behavior and send a message to this community that they can't just throw away their children."
H.B. 23 adds child abandonment to the definition of child abuse, and makes it a felony crime. It also adds an enhancement if a parent or organization benefits from the child's abandonment to further an illegal enterprise, such as polygamy. This is the case with the FLDS church, says Roger Hoole, a lawyer who represents some of the displaced young men and sits on the board for the Utah Association for Justice. He says the church benefits from kicking out young men who would compete for plural wives. This, he says, has devastating consequences.
"There's a huge impact that's coming, like a tsunami, that's going to hit the state of Utah, when these boys get a little older and realize what has happened to them and get angry," Hoole says. "There's a real problem here."
Fowlke's bill gained unanimous support in a Senate committee this morning, and now heads to the full Senate for consideration.
I will no longer respond to any of your posts...you may post to me as much or as little as you wish, but I will not respond to you...
I lost my daddy one week ago, today.
What you state may very well be true...however, in your view, if what you state is true, do you then say, that because of that, Mormons cannot, under any circumstances, be Christians?...I think that is the crux of the matter..it truly is something I dont understand...I have known a number of Mormons in real life, tho not a lot, and I know many people of many different Christian faiths...and often we get around and talk about these differences...but I have never ever heard anyone else in real life, ever tell me, that Mormons cannot be Christians...and yet, on the Mormon and anti-Mormon threads, that is what I am constantly being told....
I am trying to reconcile this disconnect....
So you really need to join the Mormon Church. You wouldn't want to continue to worship at a church that the Mormons say is false, would you? The Mormon Church was founded on the principle that the gospel was lost to the earth and that they restored the TRUE GOSPEL. So if you are not a Mormon, then you have a FALSE GOSPEL.
So what is stopping you from doing the Book of Mormon Challenge and joining the ONLY TRUE CHURCH ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH?
Rely on Joseph Smith and other Mormon leaders, or perhaps Zakeet.
As my response to her following statement:
I would never rely on you for any information on this matter.
From which the poster claimed I stated to her thus:
What in the world might you even be talking about...if you are saying that I am a Mormon, if you are sayiang that I follow the teachings of Joseph Smith, or that I follow other Mormon leaders or Zakeet. you would then be a liar....a spreader of falsehood...Exactly how can it be assumed that those words were not intentionally misrepresenting the eleven words that I said?I have never been a Mormon, I am not now studying to be a Mormon, and I dont foresee ever becoming a Mormon...
But you, for whatever reason, have seen fit to intimate that I follow the teachings of Joseph Smith, other Mormon leaders and Zakeet...there is enough bad that one can say about me or anyone else, so spreading lies and falsehoods is stupid, and unChristian...
I am so sorry....losing a parent is always difficult....for you, the grief and hurt and sorrow are so fresh, painful, and almost unbearable at times...at least that is how I felt when a loved one died...I have lost my brother more than 25 years ago, I lost my dad, 18 years ago, I lost my mom 16 years ago, and I lost my older boy, 23 years ago....losing my son, at age 15, was of course, the most hurtful...
I offer my sympathies and prayers for you and your dad’s family...
It is all in God’s purview. But I can tell you this, Jesus went to the cross and died, then rose again, not to make bad people good but to make people dead in spirit alive forever more. He promises to make one alive the instant one asks Him to be their deliverer and ‘faiths’ in His transforming Spirit. Mormons believe Salvation comes after all that the individual does to be obedient. That is not what God teaches through the New Testament. Ultimately, He will be the arbiter of souls, not Joe Smith, Mormonism, Catholicism, or any other man or doctrine of men, Just Jesus. I have a couple of essays on my profile page that you might find helpful.
It is fine to say another poster has misrepresented you, but to say "intentionally" is to attach motive, the intent to deceive.
I dont join the Mormon Church, because I chose to join no church, at this time...I am a member of no church, and have not been a member of any church for many years...
Why not?
Your very first sentence, “It is all in God’s purview.”, is exactly my very point, which actually seems to have been overlooked by many here...
I will take some time, when I have it, to read your essays..perhaps they will be of some help, thanks for the info...
They know and don’t care one bit.
Someone earlier on this thread, asked me the very same question...and I will give you the same answer I gave the other poster...why I dont become a member of a particular church, why I dont attend church is a personal matter, too personal to discuss here....if and when I ever do feel comfortable enough to discuss this matter with you, I will do so, via Private Mail...
But thank you for your interest...
Understood.
>>Well if there is nothing wrong with Mormonism then you should join. They claim to be the ONLY TRUE CHURCH ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH. So if you don’t see anything wrong with Mormonism, then you must agree that they are THE ONLY TRUE CHURCH ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.<<
I’m not gonna go into andysandmikesmom faith, that’s for her to talk about or not. And frankly, in the atmosphere of this thread {non-productive comment self-removed by the grace of Free Republic’s preview function}
But I have to say I reject the notion that one must choose to either condemn or join a certain denomination.
While, I do not feel called to join the Church of the Latter Day Saints neither have I been given the power to the judge the faith of others.
I can see the their actions. I can disagree with their doctrine and say I don’t believe their founder. I can also see that Mormons follow both the path to forgiveness through Jesus and the most important commandments as defined by Jesus - but to judge who is Christian in their heart and how true their faith is?
That’s for God and it would be hubris for me to overstep.
And I think I can make that distinction without either joining or attacking.
BTW, I’ve heard the Pope and not a few Protestant preachers claim to represent the only true church - no denomination has a monopoly on hubris - there appears to be plenty to go around.
How close to Mormonism is this guy?
Not only does Arnold Murray teach a false concept of God, he also believes that men were once gods who existed prior to living on the earth. In Genesis 1:26 when referring to the “Our” and “Us” (which has normally been understood to mean the Persons of the Trinity: Mal. 2:10 cf. Job 9:8; Isa. 44:24) Murray says, “he spoke to the Elohim, meaning God and his children, let us make that man in our image, which is to say make it look in the likeness that we are. Do you appear as your soul appeared in the world that was?” – “I told you, that God said “In Our image, Our likeness” the Elohim were standing there, they were from before.” (Tape #146) “We always were with Him [God] until you were born into this earth.” (Kenites, Tape #436) Similar to the cultic teaching of the Mormons, Murray declares that God is “one man,…our Father,” and like the Oneness Pentecostals, God “(sic) gots three offices he serves.” (Shepherd’s Chapel Questions and Answers period, aired 5-14-91)
Thank you for what you have said in your post #496...I agree with what you have said, and you have said it better than I could have...many thanks...
I don't disagree with that; and I had earlier stated, I do not sit in judgment on any one person's individual salvation. In fact, I don't believe you will find any post wherein I have even stated that, though I believe Joseph Smith to have been a false prophet, that I presume to know where he is spending eternity. Though concerning false prophets and false teachers, we have been told about their punishments.
We are ordered to oppose false doctrine and false teaching, but we ought not go too far in our assessments and assignations.
Agreed as to the former; as to the latter, as it concerns doctrine and teaching, the Scriptures are plain concerning particular things, and it is on those things there is no "wiggle room." As to other things which are not as clear, naturally, on those things we cannot be as rigid or unyielding.
I have seen and listened to Arnold Murray, several times, over the course of the nite, when his program ran for about 6 hours a nite...
I know that there are at least a few followers of Murray, right here on FR, because I have seen their arguments regarding certain aspects of the Bible, and they have repeated what Murray himself has said..
Is Murray close to Mormonism...I could not say, especially regarding some of his other teachings, such as the 8th day of creation, when ‘The Adam’ and ‘The Eve’ were created...
As I said before, each religion has its own set of ideas and its own dogma...and supposedly all based on the Biblical Scriptures...
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