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FLDS Parents Could Face Charges for Abandoning their "Lost Boys"
KCPW News ^ | February 14, 2008

Posted on 02/22/2008 9:11:12 AM PST by Zakeet

They're called the "Lost Boys," the teenagers kicked out of their homes and communities by leaders of the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to ensure there's an ample supply of single, young women who will one day become plural wives. Representative Lorie Fowlke (R-Orem), is running a bill to make this abandonment a felony.

"Estimates are that we've had more than 1,000 children - primarily in southern Utah - thrown out of their homes," Fowlke says. "What we were trying to do with this bill is criminalize this behavior and send a message to this community that they can't just throw away their children."

H.B. 23 adds child abandonment to the definition of child abuse, and makes it a felony crime. It also adds an enhancement if a parent or organization benefits from the child's abandonment to further an illegal enterprise, such as polygamy. This is the case with the FLDS church, says Roger Hoole, a lawyer who represents some of the displaced young men and sits on the board for the Utah Association for Justice. He says the church benefits from kicking out young men who would compete for plural wives. This, he says, has devastating consequences.

"There's a huge impact that's coming, like a tsunami, that's going to hit the state of Utah, when these boys get a little older and realize what has happened to them and get angry," Hoole says. "There's a real problem here."

Fowlke's bill gained unanimous support in a Senate committee this morning, and now heads to the full Senate for consideration.


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Other Christian; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: az; flds; jeffs; lds; mormonism; nottherealldschurch; polygamy; ut
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To: Godzilla

“So it is clear that you condemn the founder of your church, Joe Smith, but you just can’t face the fact that he violated the law, he violated D&C, he violated the BOM. No, its not too bad for me, but it is too bad for you. You are selling your soul to a snake oil salesman. Take a close look.”.

See, I knew you were interested in pulling some garbage scumbag type move like that no matter what I said. Are you now saying that all polygamy in history was wrong? Yes or no. Come on, snakeoil salesman, say it. Then we will start going into mainstream polygamists over the centuries. And you are not in any position to condemn the Prophet Joseph Smith based on sleazy writings by anti-mormons like yourself.


1,641 posted on 03/01/2008 5:29:00 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: restornu
Still to this day the Pyramids are tightly secured so that inquiring minds are not allowed to get close to study Egyptian History, we are told what Egypt wants us to know!

HUH?

Sure you're not confusing the VAULT in Temple Square with the Pyramids?

You believe that somewhere, in Eygpt, there are SAMPLES of Reformed-Egyptian writings?

1,642 posted on 03/01/2008 5:29:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: pby

No, your spin on my words, not my words.


1,643 posted on 03/01/2008 5:30:23 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: P-Marlowe

Nope, they will be resurrected and have eternal life in their perfect bodies just like you. As to Judgment, well, that is up to Christ, not me or you. Perhaps you should read the scriptures more closely and you will find that is the case.


1,644 posted on 03/01/2008 5:32:21 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: pby

I am not going to stand in judgment or the Prophet Joseph Smith based upon some idiot anti-mormon’s writings.


1,645 posted on 03/01/2008 5:33:54 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: pby

Why should I condemn the Prophet Joseph Smith? Because some silly stupid anti-mormon wrote a book? You are dreaming.


1,646 posted on 03/01/2008 5:35:33 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man
And you are not in any position to condemn the Prophet Joseph Smith based on sleazy writings by anti-mormons like yourself.

You are quite right on this one!

JS condemned himself by NOT following what the BIBLE said about more than one wife.

Worse than that, he did not even follow the words of the Book of Morman; that HE translated!


 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.
 

 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2:24-32
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 

1,648 posted on 03/01/2008 5:38:19 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Spanish inquisition. Shall I google a search for mainstream murders? Every lynch mob I ever heard of in the South was mainly composed of Good Baptists. You need to get over it.


1,649 posted on 03/01/2008 5:38:26 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Prove it. Go ahead, and not by some slimball book by a “DR DR Ankerberg” type.


1,650 posted on 03/01/2008 5:40:02 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Elsie

And we claim that right. You don’t seem to want to allow it.


1,651 posted on 03/01/2008 5:41:42 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: restornu

Brigham Young never order that action and the counsel has always been for the LDS to wait upon the Lord!
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BY and the mormons murdered the 120 innocent people at Mountain Meadows

BY might not have been there but he ordered thw slaughter of those defenseless people...

There is little in the mormon history about waiting on the Lord...

When the Nauvoo Expositor printed the truth about Joseph Smith, Smith, who was Mayor ordered the printing presses dragged into the street and destroyed...

The newspaper only got to publish ONE issue...

hardly a long “wait”

Joseph Smith was arrested for that attrocity and other crimes...

He was killed trying to shoot his way out of jail...

Another lack of “waiting”

He “married” and raped a 14 year old girl...

Why didnt he “wait” till she was older ????


1,652 posted on 03/01/2008 5:42:44 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Elsie

Comedy school again?


1,654 posted on 03/01/2008 5:45:07 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: restornu

...and to read someone is trying to perpetuation such accusation against Brigham Young does shows indifference for truth!
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Oooooooooo I dunno...

The anti-Christians in these threads have often accused the Christians of activity that is unfounded by evidence...

In their Christian bashing, do the mormons show an “indifference to truth” ????


1,655 posted on 03/01/2008 5:48:49 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu
Plural marriage that is an ordinance of the Lord does not bother me how many times do I have to say it!....snip......
All you can do is scream plural marriage beyond that your knowledge fades!

Oh really?

Timothy 2:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1 Tim. 3: 12
Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
Jacob 1:15
And now it came to pass that the people of Nephi, under the reign of the second king, began to grow hard in their hearts, and indulge themselves somewhat in wicked practices, such as like unto David of old desiring many wives and concubines, and also Solomon, his son.
Jacob 2: 27
Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
Jacob 3: 5
Behold, the Lamanites your brethren, whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the cursing which hath come upon their skins, are more righteous than you; for they have not forgotten the commandment of the Lord, which was given unto our father that they should have save it were one wife, and concubines they should have none, and there should not be whoredoms committed among them.
D&C 42: 22
Thou shalt love thy wife with all thy heart, and shalt cleave unto her and none else.
D&C 49: 16
Wherefore, it is lawful that he should have one wife, and they twain shall be one flesh, and all this that the earth might answer the end of its creation;

What about coveting another man's wife?

Ex. 20: 17
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.
Deut. 5: 21
Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour’s wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour’s house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour’s.
Mosiah 13: 24
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife, nor his man-servant, nor his maid-servant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor’s.
D&C 19:24-25
I am Jesus Christ; I came by the will of the Father, and I do his will. And again, I command thee that thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife;

The fun doesn't stop here either

Lied to his own wife, first wife Emma
When he was finally caught by Emma, he quickly whipped up some scriptures(D&C 132) that threatened her with DEATH if she did not accept it
Excommunicated friends who did not agree with it(like Oliver Cowdery)
Published scriptures that stated he did not practice it(1835 ed of D&C 101:4)
Published a list of things he(and his followers) claimed to believe and one in particular said he obeyed the laws of the land, even though polygamy had been against the law in Illinois since 1833
Burned down a printing press because it was exposing the truth about his DECEPTIVE life, that he was indeed marrying additional women AND some were still married to their first husband!

1,656 posted on 03/01/2008 5:51:43 AM PST by Godzilla (My ancestors were humans. Sorry to hear about yours.)
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To: Elsie

“Do you know she did NOT go to Utah, but stayed behind with the TRUE LDS faith and then proceded to prosper and grow into the RLDS and now the Community of Christ?)”

Ya they prosper alright almost a quarter of a million members and joined the WCC!

“That group is the one that OWNS all the good property in Nauvoo”

Get your facts straight wrong location!


1,657 posted on 03/01/2008 5:52:33 AM PST by restornu ( Now the place was called by them Rameumptom, which, being interpreted, is the holy stand. ~ Alma)
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To: Tennessee Nana

For Eternity only how many times does one have to say this!


1,658 posted on 03/01/2008 5:54:04 AM PST by restornu ( Now the place was called by them Rameumptom, which, being interpreted, is the holy stand. ~ Alma)
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To: restornu
Still to this day the Pyramids are tightly secured so that inquiring minds are not allowed to get close to study Egyptian History, we are told what Egypt wants us to know!

Thanks resty, my stocks in tinfoil just went up.

1,659 posted on 03/01/2008 5:55:33 AM PST by Godzilla (My ancestors were humans. Sorry to hear about yours.)
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To: P-Marlowe; Tennessee Nana
The Mountain Meadows Massacre The mormons murdered 120 innocent people...

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1,660 posted on 03/01/2008 5:56:01 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Bill Richardson: Billions for boondoggles; Not one red cent for Jenny Craig.)
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