Posted on 02/07/2008 2:22:50 PM PST by Pyro7480
From the Italian daily Corriere della Sera:
Italian Rabbinical Assembly: "Pause for reflection in the dialogue" with Catholics
The opinion on the change of the Good Friday prayer: "An abandonment of the very conditions for dialogue"
ROME - And now, a rupture. The Italian Rabbinical Asseembly considers necessary a "pause for reflection in the dialogue" with Catholics after the modification of the Good Friday prayer for the Jews.
And it underlines that the modification decided by Pope Ratzinger is "an abandonment of the very conditions for dialogue". The Assembly states so in a note signed by its president, Rabbi Giuseppe Laras.
Do you find it interesting that Jesus and his brother Jude used a book that was neither canonized by Jamnia nor by NT canonizers. The book of "Enoch" where the concept of the "elect" comes from and also a book that whoever wrote the NT book of Jude quotes from?
Your Church bears no resemblance to this New Testament Church described in scripture. Even with your claim of being able to change things.....as you go along....it's still silly to even claim any similarity. Most people see this. Unfortunately for you....you don't. You have been led to believe fairy tales!
Who are you to claim that I'm wrong? By what authority would you presume to do so?
I have the authority of scripture on my side. Wanna' debate?
Offer up some scripture to defend your position and I will read it.
This would be nominal for a founding father of your organization.
If you'd like to corkscrew this around for your own purposes, go ahead, have a bash at it.
You folks always get upset when someone calls your outfit for what it is....and always has been. Defend it with scripture and we'll see what we'll see!
Jude is basically talking of "A" prophecy of Enoch....not the "Book".
1 Timothy 3:15
May the Lord bless you in your zeal. I will post nothing further to you.
Forgive.
Thank you for your blessing. I would bless you in your search for truth as well.
Check this out. Let me know when you're done.
Good night, everybody.
Well. Judes prophecy was taken from the book of Enoch. The same book found intact by Charles bruce in 1800's Ethiopia.
Compare please.
Jude.... 14And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Enoch...Chapter 2, verse 1...Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him.
Pretty clear to me.
You don't have to do this right away. I realize you're busy.
Well....as I said earlier...the Council of Jamnia got things back to where they were when Ezra and Nehemiah canonized the Hebrew writings....so probably, we should just concern ourselves with the New Testament writings then. Here is an Old Testament prophecy about the New Testament.
We do know whom was spoken of in [Isaiah 8:13-17] as it is in context between [Isaiah 7:14] and [Isaiah 9:6]. Our Lord's Apostles were given the authority to canonize by this prophecy: Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken. Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.
So....for any authority in this regard we should look to the Apostles themselves.....not some ecclesiastic body. As stated earlier....Our Lord Himself states the Old Testament canon in [Luke 24:44] and it does not include the "Deuts". Right there that tells you something about your qualifications to decide the canon. You guys include them!
On a related note, I have a question for you... Most of the criticisms that you anti-Catholic folks make against the Church are equally applicable to our Eastern Orthodox brethren, yet you folks never seem to worry about them. Why is that?
The Romans started it and the Churches of the East hung on to true doctrine for many years before finally succumbing to your Apostasy......so I cut em' some slack.
You rely on a council that consisted of the same religious leaders that were the opponents of Our Lord? No wonder...
This is true. My statement only makes reference to the fact that this was also considered Hebrew tradition and Jude may not have been quoting a book that he carried around with him. I'm not arguing your point. Other writings are quoted as well...."Jasher"[Joshua 10:13] & [2 Samuel 1:18].
I'd rather help you with the dishes! LOL
Could you a little more specific ?
b'SHEM Yah'shua
Could you be a little more specific ?
Of course he didn't have a book he carried around. But 11 copies were found in the dead sea scrolls that matched what was found in ethiopia in 4 of the 5 sections. I'm sure these scrolls were read in essene circles. This book also describes chasms such as the one Jesus described when speaking of Abrahams bossom. Jude treated it as scripture.
You wrote:
“Nope....your friend Constantine did that....and the Church he founded...”
Okay, Diego, you’ve made this absurd claim before. Please document it.
Virtually every book of the NT was acknowledged as scripture by Irenaeus in the mid second century in his seminal work "Against Heresies"
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