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Archbishop to ordain priests using Tridentine Mass in Rome cathedral
CNS ^ | February 6, 2008 | John Thavis

Posted on 02/07/2008 6:12:47 AM PST by NYer

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- A former Vatican official will ordain four traditionalist priests in a Tridentine Mass celebrated in the cathedral of Rome, church officials said.

The Feb. 23 ordination Mass in the Basilica of St. John Lateran will be the most prominent celebration of the old rite in Rome since Pope Benedict XVI relaxed restrictions on its use last year.

The Mass, to be celebrated by Archbishop Luigi De Magistris, will follow the 1962 Roman Missal, known commonly as the Tridentine rite. In July 2007 the pope issued new rules, saying the old rite could be used much more freely than before.

Those to be ordained are members of the Good Shepherd Institute, a society of apostolic life that uses only the Tridentine rite. The institute, based in France, is made up primarily of priests and seminarians who left the schismatic Society of St. Pius X and reconciled with the Vatican in 2006.

The Society of St. Pius X, founded by the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, split with the Vatican years ago over liturgical and other issues.

In a statement, the Good Shepherd Institute expressed thanks to the pope and the Diocese of Rome.

"We wish to extend our heartfelt thanks to the ecclesiastical authorities who have graciously allowed the celebration of this Mass to take place in the extraordinary form and in the cathedral of the Holy Father," the statement said.

"The Institute of the Good Shepherd wishes to take this opportunity to demonstrate its devotion to and communion with the Holy Father and, though him, its communion with the whole church," it said.

Archbishop De Magistris is the retired head of the Apostolic Penitentiary, an office that deals with indulgences and matters of conscience. Last September, he celebrated a Mass of thanksgiving in Rome for the papal document that allowed wider use of the 1962 missal.

TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Worship
KEYWORDS: latin; ordination; tlm

1 posted on 02/07/2008 6:12:50 AM PST by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Latin ping!

2 posted on 02/07/2008 6:13:20 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

“The institute, based in France, is made up primarily of priests and seminarians who left the schismatic Society of St. Pius X and reconciled with the Vatican in 2006.”


Cardinal Castrillón: SSPX not in schism

3 posted on 02/07/2008 6:28:16 AM PST by Ozone34
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To: Ozone34; ConservativeTrucker; SavannahJake; PaulZe; AKA Elena; Oshkalaboomboom; LikeLight; ...

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4 posted on 02/07/2008 6:44:20 AM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: NYer
Now, this is interesting. My wife and I usually visit my Dad with several siblings and nephews and nieces each Sunday. Next Sunday I'm going to look in the drawer where my Mom (when she was extant) kept the missals (of the Tridentine persuasion). My Mom passed away more than a quarter of a century ago, however, I'm almost willing to wager those missals are still there.

I was an altar boy in those days. I want to see if my memory is as bad as I think it is regarding celebrant statements and altar lad responses.

Great Caesar's Ghost this brings back memories.

5 posted on 02/07/2008 2:59:47 PM PST by stevem
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To: Ozone34; Mershon
Correction: John Paul II who had an even higher position in the Church than Castrillon de Hoyos begs to disagree since JP II declkared and adjudged the SSPX to be in schism and excommunicated its leaders and adherents.

Further correction: Brian Mershon has been peddling this stuff for a long time. He makes a great deal out of the fact (which no one disputes or has disputed) that mere attendance at the Masses of the schismatic SSPX does not bring about one's excommunication nor place one in schism. Per JP II, ADHERENCE to SSPX does.

No one incurs excommunication or declaration of schism for merely attending the Masses of the much older Eastern Orthodox schism in its various forms.

Each and every bishop EVER associated with SSPX has been excommunicated and has been in schism. One bishop of the schismatic "diocese" of Campos, Brazil, reconciled with the Roman Catholic Church before his death. This bishop was a successor to Castro de Mayer.

Mershon makes some reference to those who attend SSPX Masses, not from necessity, but for "spiritual comfort." Now where is the line drawn between adherence to the schism and one's eagerness for "spiritual comfort???" If one denies the validity of the Novus Ordo Mass, one rebels against papal authority given by Jesus Christ Himself. A mere preference for Tridentine Masses is common among actual Traditionalist (non-SSPX, non-schismatic, etc) Catholics but, if they are in communion with the Holy See (as SSPX is not), they do not reject papal authority and do not reject the validity of the Novus Ordo.

In more sensible times the SSPX crowd would have been burned at the stake.

6 posted on 02/07/2008 3:04:35 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

No SSPX, No Moto Proprio.

7 posted on 02/07/2008 4:35:53 PM PST by Ozone34
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To: Ozone34
Bilge. I was married in the Tridentine Rite in 1986. Archiocesan bureaucrats tried to stop that at the last minute. Archbishop John Whealon (not an SSPX schismatic nor an excommunicatus but the old-fashioned kind of Traditional Catholic, the kind who remain in communion with the Holy See) of Hartford personally intervened to see to it that the wedding Mass would be Tridentine.

If it were not for the vicious antipapal campaign of the SSPX schismatics, the curious public career of soi disant bishop Williamson, the poisonous course of rebellion and criminal ecclesiastical disobedience and violation of written promises to John Paul II by Marcel LeFebvre, this controversy would have been resolved to the benefit of all things Tridentine long before now. The vitriolic evil of SSPX has given many bishops pause as to restoration of the liturgy.

Mershon predicted on many occasions that the SSPX would be welcomed back with open arms as part of the motu proprio but, despite all the gushy enthusiasm by SSPX's fellow travelers, it has not happened. Instead, B-XVI has erected another Institute of Tridentine priests to facilitate defections from the schismatic SSPX cult.

Meanwhile the unauthorized bishop Fellay who has succeeded the schismatic ringleader Lefebvre after Lefebvre left permanently to hear God's opinion of his behavior once and for all, hems and haws over whether he finds the Vatican's response to his and the cult's liking or whether the Vatican is insufficiently obedient to the schismatics. Since the auto da fe has regrettably passed out of style, emboldening the likes of LeFebvre and Fellay and company, at the very least each of them wishing to RETURN to Holy Mother the Church should be subjected to self-inflicted public humiliation, public repudiation of their ecclesiastical crimes, resignation of any pretended Church office, defrocking, and permanent cloister to ponder their crimes until death.

8 posted on 02/07/2008 7:04:00 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

Well, I certainly respect your battle for tradition from within the mainstream “evolution” of the Church post V2. Unfortunately from that perspective, the SSPX and Archbishop Lefebvre have been vilified and calumniated in such a despicable manner as to have little connection if any with reality. We can agree to disagree. Nevertheless, I submit that the Church in the 20th Century is something of a hybrid between what occurred in the 4th and 11th centuries. The current heresy of Modernism is the contemporary equivalent of the Arian heresy and Levebvre will be seen by later generations as our Athanasius. The current utter parasitization of the clergy and episcopate by degenerates and perverts cries out for a new St. Peter Damian and Hildebrand. While our current Holy Father may be at least share the ethnic background of Hildebrand, it remains to be seen if he has the capacity to do what needs to be done to purge the Church of the filth and vermin that seek to destroy it!

9 posted on 02/08/2008 6:47:55 AM PST by Ozone34
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To: Ozone34; ninenot; ArrogantBustard; AnAmericanMother; Convert from ECUSA; VermiciousKnid
If, by Hildebrand you mean Pope St. Gregory VII, we can always use another Pope St. Gregory VII or another Pope St. Pius V or another Pope St. Pius X. In each case, we shall not see them again in this vale of tears since they now reside with Him Whose Vicar on Earth each was. THAT Hildebrand does not share nationality with B-XVI except during their respective papacies and even then Vatican City is not a true equivalent of the Papal States. B-XVI is, of course, German by ancestry and by early nationality. Hildebrand was born into the "nonnoble Bonizo family of Tuscany" (Encylclopedia Brittanica) and was thus an Italian and not a German.

On behalf of the TdTGC, let me add that we could always use another Fra Tomas de Torquemada or another Cardinal Ximinez again, especially with the full powers of the original to be applied against those who fight the Church from within.

The heresy of Modernism was defined in 1907 by Pope St. Pius X in his Syllabus of Errors, Lamentabili Sane (7/1907), and in his related and more fully stated encyclical, Pascendi Domenici Gregis (08/1907) as "the synthesis of all heresies" rather than as that which upsets taste-offended "traditionalists" willing to rebel against papal authority, name bishops and consecrate them in direct disobedience to and defiance of papal authority so as to perpetuate a defiant anti-Catholic class of bishops and priests to perpetuate the rebellion against papal authority all in the name of "tradition" no less. The Arian heresy was certainly a heresy and, as such, was a PARTIAL element of Modernism. Likewise, Nestorianism, Pelagianism, Albigensianism, Ultramontanism, Donatism, Monophysitism and so tragically many other heresies against the truth of Catholicism and of Jesus Christ.

The Church in the Twentieth Century is now a closed chapter. In that Church, John Paul II excommunicated Lefebvre and those who were consecrated bishops by him, whatever the Angelus may say as house organ of the excommunicated. The same papal power may restore at least the living miscreants to allow their return to the Church but Benedict XVI, having participated in the excommunications and declaration of SSPX schism, as head of the Holy Office under John Paul II, has not seen fit, despite the unseemly clamor of those who labor enthusiastically in a manner sympathetic to the SSPX schismatics and excommunicati, to do anything whatsoever to allow the excommunicated schismatics to RETURN to the Church as a group or in any other way than by repudiating their behavior and that of miscreant Marcel.

How little respect the schismatics have for St. Athanasius is shown by their (not necessarily your) persistent habit of comparing St. Athanasius's lonely stand against the Arian heresy to Lefebvre's defiant evil against the Church and John Paul II!

I take it that the 4th Century problem was Arianism and that the 11th Century problem was the "lay investiture" controversy of defiance of papal authority by the Holy Roman Emperor Henry trying to name bishops and cause the consecration of same without so much as a by your leave to Pope St. Gregory VII in his capacity as, ummmm, pope. I understand the parallel between Lefebvrite ecclesiastical criminality and the behavior of Emperor Henry. I fail to see any particular relevance of Arianism unless you imagine our recent popes as heretics of the Arian or even Modernist persuasion. As a Catholic, I find rather unlikely such an assertion since it flies directly in the face of the promises of Jesus Christ to His (our Catholic) Church to be with it to the very end.

Therefore, several questions are in order. I will ask them and provide my own answers in brackets and ask you to answer them separately by a new post.

1. In your opinion, was John Paul II the duly elected Vicar of Christ on Earth and Successor of Peter and pope? [Yes, yes and yes]

2. In your opinion, is Benedict XVI the duly elected Vicar of Christ on Earth and Successor of Peter and pope? [Yes, yes and yes]

3. Are those excommunicated by John Paul II in his capacity as Vicar of Christ on Earth, Successor of Peter and pope, an exercise of the power of the keys and binding? [Yes}

4. Has Benedict XVI altered the judgment rendered against the SSPX schism and excommunicating its ringleaders been altered, reversed or changed in any formal way? [No]

Therefore, it is far more likely that Lefebvre will be viewed (except as to scale and apparent success) as our Luther or our Cauvin or our Zwingli than as a saint of Holy Mother the Church against which he and they rebelled.

It is SSPX and the late Lefebvre and his rebel bishops and the adherents to SSPX who are in need of being in touch with realty. The Vatican IS reality, as Lefebvre already knows and as his surviving associates in schism and excommunication will eventually know.

All of that being said, there is utterly no excuse for failing to deal with utmost severity with pederasts and other perverts massacring their respective vows of celibacy at the expense of the young or at the expense of anyone else. It may come as a surprise to those excommunicated and schismatic "traditionalists" that these evils have been all too traditional (research the reasons for the Cluniac Reform of St. Benedict).

No more than the sexual perverts in Catholic clerical clothing of this or any other time may reasonably excuse their own evils by reliance on irrelevant comparisons to the evils of the SSPX schism, may the Lefebvrite schismatics and excommunicati reasonably excuse THEIR own evils by relying on a non-existent "traditionalism" of defiant disobedience directed against papal authority by pointing to the sins of the sexual perverts.

10 posted on 02/08/2008 2:12:19 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

Mershon is an idiot.

11 posted on 02/12/2008 7:34:24 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: ninenot; Mershon; BlackElk

If you’re talking about someone, it is common courtesy to ping them.

12 posted on 02/12/2008 7:50:53 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480

See Post #6. I did ping him when I mentioned him. I may occasionally negligently neglect to ping someone I mention but never intentionally, particularly when I disagree with that person’s post publicly.

13 posted on 02/12/2008 9:59:30 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk; ninenot

Yeah, I saw that. I was more focused on ninenot’s post.

14 posted on 02/13/2008 6:12:26 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480

May God continue to bless you and yours!

15 posted on 02/13/2008 9:09:59 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

May He bless yours as well!

16 posted on 02/13/2008 9:25:49 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: NYer

So would these priests be SSPX?


17 posted on 02/13/2008 9:38:35 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation; NYer

No, they would be priests of the Institute of the Good Shepherd, many of whom are former SSPX.

18 posted on 02/13/2008 9:41:02 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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