Joseph Smith: Creator of the Fourth Abrahamic Faith; Mormonism

Auhtor's website ^ | September 15, 2007 | G. Richard Jansen

[Resolute Conservative]

Key word here is reference. They place the Book of Mormon higher in regards and authority and that is against true Christian doctrine.

[tumblindice]

I always have trouble with that, like Elijah and Elisha.

[Jeff Chandler]

The Lamanites are described as marked by God with a darker skin color to identify their state of wickedness.

Now that's funny, I don't care who you are...

[colorcountry]

I'm not going to say anything on this thread, but let others speak at will. It's time the Mittbots realize it isn't just the Flying Inman ......placemark.

[rface]

sounds like SOME of your definitions are all definitions that Humans have come up with, and aren't as firmly based in scripture as you would like to believe.....

.....the Bible is the infallible Word of God....the contents of our Bible took several hundred years for it to take the shape that we recognize.....

I am not as certain as you are about how the Mormons place the Book of Mormon in with relationship to the Bible

[Uri’el-2012]

I believe that Abram and Abraham are the same person

You might want to review Genesis 17

[fish hawk]

Yes, the same person but in two different relationships with God.

[rface]

The author states several similarities between Islam and Joe Smith but does not state this one...polygamy.

should have tossed Old testement jews in with Islam and Mormons

[rface]

Yes, the same person but in two different relationships with God.

just like me. My relationship with God is different today than it was years ago.

[LukeSW]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure I've read that he never showed anyone the golden plates. He kept giving some story about why he cant show them and then the final story was that he buried them somewhere.

Eleven men were shown the plates. 8 were shown the plates by Smith himself. 3 were shown the plates, the translators and a couple of other items by the Angel who called himself Moroni. The testimonies of the two groups of men are published in every copy of the Book of Mormon. The 3 primary witnesses were particularly interesting. Those individuals were challenged their entire life about their testimony. All 3 became disaffected from the Church for various lengths of time. However, none ever wavered from what they wrote about seeing the plates, not even a little bit. In fact, I believe the one who never rejoined the body of the Church, David Whitmer, took out a full page newspaper ad shortly before his death to refute rumors to the contrary.

[Colofornian]

The Lamanites are described as marked by God with a darker skin color to identify their state of wickedness.

LDS "scriptures" frequently contain ideas that dark skin of Native Americans, Hispanics and people of African descent is a curse from God due to moral inferiority & spiritual unrighteousness. These still carry full revelational weight (so LDS can't just "back out" of these as yesteryear "doctrines"): See Book of Moses 7:8,22; Alma 3:6,9; 2 Nephi 5:21-22; and Mormon 5:15.

[rface]

Genesis 17:5
(New International Version) New International Version (NIV) Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society

5 No longer will you be called Abram [a] ; your name will be Abraham, [b] for I have made you a father of many nations.

[Resolute Conservative]

The Bible says that God was and has always been in more than one place, the Bible says that Jesus is the son of God and died for our sins, The Bible says do not believe the word of man ( false prophets ), the Bible was written by men who were inspired by God or were eye witnesses to Christ’s life. Christ said that the Word of God is infallible and the Bible is the Word of God.

Either you believe or you do not it is your choice. Mormons can call themselves whatever they want, they are not Christians by a biblical definition.

[seoul62]

Is this a rumour or the offical line: the Catholic Church to which I belong, states that the Mormons are a cult, can someone confirm or deny this? The ones that I have met have so clean-cut and nice they remind me of the people out of the movie: Pleasantville, out of another era./Just Asking - seoul62........

[rface]

I always have trouble with that, like Elijah and Elisha.

two different people

[fish hawk]

Yes, most of us could say that. God bless.

[Notary Sojac]

"The Emperor Constantine, who lifted Christianity into power, murdered his wife Fausta, and his eldest son Crispus, the same year that he convened the Council of Nice to decide whether Jesus Christ was a man or the Son of God.

The Council decided that Christ was consubstantial with the Father. This was in the year A.D. 325. We are thus indebted to a wife-murderer for settling the vexed question of the divinity of the Savior. Theodosius called a council at Constantinople in 381, and this council decided that the Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father. Theodosius, the younger, assembled another council at Ephesus to ascertain who the Virgin Mary really was, and it was solemnly decided in the year 431 that she was the Mother of God.

In 451 it was decided by a council held at Chalcedon, called together by the Emperor Marcian, that Christ had two natures -- the human and divine. In 680, in another general council, held at Constantinople, convened by order of Pognatius, it was also declared that Christ had two wills, and in the year 1274 it was decided at the council of Lyons that the Holy Ghost proceeded not only from the Father, but from the Son as well.

Had it not been for these councils, we might have been without a Trinity even to this day. When we take into consideration the fact that a belief in the Trinity is absolutely essential to salvation, how unfortunate it was for the world that this doctrine was not established until the year 1274. Think of the millions that dropped into hell while these questions were being discussed."

-Robert G. Ingersoll

[Old Mountain man]

So, to be a Christian you have to subscribe to the junk produced by the Council of Nicea under the auspices of the Roman Empire?

What a hoot!

Don’t you have anything better? Like maybe a faith in God, acceptance of Jesus Christ as your personal savior? Little things that are actually in the Bible?

Just asking! and commenting of course.

[rface]

Mormons can call themselves whatever they want, they are not Christians by a biblical definition.

sure they are.....just some Humans don't like to call them Christians.

Christ did NOT say that the Bible is the word of God.....somebody else said that many hundred years AFTER Christ was crucified.

[MacDorcha]

Most of us use our eyes...

All kidding aside, the most common way to identify a Christian is their core belief in Christ as the Lord and Savior, coupled with and understanding of the Holy Trinity. (IOW, we do not become gods in our own right upon death)

Also, the Bible was Canonized with the understanding that it shall not be added to. Ever.

The Book of Mormon defies that edict.