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1 posted on 11/06/2007 10:24:01 AM PST by Titanites
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To: Titanites
Peter is given the keys of the Kingdom. When the other disciples are given the power to bind and loose (in Matthew 18:18), they are not likewise promised the keys; only Peter is entrusted with these.

Let's look at Matthew 16:13-20:

When Jesus talks about "this rock" he is not referring to Peter, but instead Peter's confession of faith in verse 16. Jesus isn't jumping from one subject (that He is the Christ) to another (primacy of Peter). It is a continuation of the same subject - who do people believe that Christ is.

And if you look at the following verse 20 you can see that Jesus still has not changed subject because he is commanding them not to reveal that He is the Christ.

Jesus thus does not declare the primacy of Peter, but rather declares that his church will be built upon the foundation of the revelation of and confession of faith of Jesus as the Christ. The "rock" is our faith in Christ.

2 posted on 11/06/2007 10:40:55 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: Titanites
Bump! For the reasons stated here, BUMP!
3 posted on 11/06/2007 11:06:23 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Titanites; eaglesnest1; cindy-true-supporter

It is fitting that this was written by a lawyer. He sets forth all the evidences and then presents a judgement. Wonderfully done. Readers may decide if they subscribe to his analysis and conclusion. As for me, I found it quite compelling, since I have struggled with many of the questions he poses ever since realizing the degree of corruption present in the Protestant apparatus in the U.S. If both the Catholic and Protestant establishments have been corrupted at one time or another by political power, what does that say? Reichert is able to separate the issues of sin and error, and make a distinction between them. It’s illuminatiing, to put it mildly.


4 posted on 11/06/2007 11:08:13 AM PST by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: Salvation; NYer

Ping


9 posted on 11/06/2007 11:40:44 AM PST by Titanites
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To: Titanites
But the confusion lies in assuming that saving faith is solely a state of mind.

??? Yes, I would call that confusion alright! It is trying to put something that is of the spirit into an intellectual construct. I would call it a state of the heart, not of the mind.

I had come a long way in understanding, or trying to understand, justification and salvation from a Catholic perspective and my own uneasiness with the lack of passion for Christian unity among my Evangelical brothers.

There was a time when unity was a double edged sword. When you have the power to kill or torture those who believe differently than you, you can get a lot of people to confess whatever you tell them they must confess.

The Reformers began down that same error ridden road, but were quickly undone by their own principles. Forced unity is evil, which is why I have a lot more uneasiness with unity than I do with whatever number of divisions result from division that's a product of freedom of conscience.

It must be shown that the Church defected at some time, or over some period of time, from the original deposit of the faith.

Show me Gospel support for torturing and/or killing heretics or even signing off on the state doing it to maintain domestic tranquility. The Church did defect from the original deposit of the faith & I'm not sure She would have rediscovered Her true purpose if She hadn't had it forced on Her.

Why is it that Bible-reading Christians did not "reform" the early Church? If these early Christians could not comprehend the true gospel from reading the Bible in their own language at a time so close to the apostolic era, how is it that Protestants were suddenly able to do so some fifteen centuries later in translation and in a culture remote in time and space from the apostolic age?

People had ready access to Bibles in the early Church? what happened to the argument that Bibles weren't assembled until centuries later & then they were rare, expensive & most people couldn't read anyway?

14 posted on 11/06/2007 12:54:54 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: Titanites
Can’t believe they let that get published with complacent misspelled in the first sentence.
39 posted on 11/06/2007 7:39:41 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Titanites

It sounds like this fellow is on his way to becoming a Catholic!


41 posted on 11/06/2007 7:48:09 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Titanites

**Ironically, it was the first pope—the apostle Peter—who pointed out the rather obvious fact that Scripture is not necessarily self-explanatory; it can be twisted by the unscrupulous to support virtually any theological position (2 Peter 3:16).**

No YOPIOS in the Catholic Church. We are guided in our interpretation of Holy Scripture by Scripture and my Holy Tradition — the mouth to mouth records that were passed down from the apostles to others verbally.


42 posted on 11/06/2007 7:49:34 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Titanites

Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.


48 posted on 11/07/2007 6:39:52 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Al Gore, the Jessie Jackson of weather.)
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To: Titanites
As I looked at the Roman Church, I had to address the usual Evangelical argument that Rome today doesn't look at all like the "simple" Church that Christ established. I myself stumbled at this point until I happened to reflect on Luke 13:18- 20: "Then Jesus asked, `What is the kingdom of God like? What shall I compare it to? It is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his garden. It grew and became a tree, and the birds of the air perched in its branches.'"

Like most Evangelicals, I had always understood this passage to refer to the growth of the Kingdom over time, as more believers were added to the fold. It surely means this, of course, but I came to see that it also alludes to the appearance of the Kingdom, to the fact that the Kingdom, as it grows, might look very different from the bare seed from which it sprang.

This man totally missed the mark on this parable. One only needs to go to Matthew's account and see that the "mustard tree" is right smack dab in the middle of describing apostasy. Right between "leaven" (never spoken of as good in the Bible) and the "tares". All three parables describe the Kingdom of Heaven. The mustard tree Jesus describes is not "big" because it is good or right. It is not right at all. It is not natural. It is WAY bigger than it is supposed to be. The "fowls" described in the parable only add to the evilness within.

84 posted on 11/07/2007 1:59:13 PM PST by invoman
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To: Titanites
What about Peter's wife? Does she get to use the keys, too?

99 posted on 11/08/2007 8:27:35 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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