Posted on 10/24/2007 8:18:14 AM PDT by topcat54
I must be a renegade dispensationalist. I don't think my categories are divinely inspired. I think they're cognitively helpful in ordering and organizing.
I don't see any reason to believe that anyone's categories are divinely inspired.
That doesn't mean, however, that they aren't legitimate.
Eden really was a separate time. From Eden to the flood really was a separate time....not that anyone has a whole lot of data on it.
being a noble Berean and interpreting Scripture with Scripture
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LOL.
I think the most charitable response I can think of is . . .
uhhh . . .
. . . . uhhh . . .
silence.
Because for John the time actually was “near” (70 AD).
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That is one of the most absurd manglings of Scripture that I know of.
There are a list of END TIMES PROPHECIES THAT COULD NOT POSSIBLY have occurred from Christ’s Crucifixion until the rebirth of Israel in 1948.
To pretend that AD70 found the fulfillment of all of them is an incredible mind bogglingly obtuse example of selective perception that has raced off the cliff at the speed of light without even slightly looking back at the craziness of it all.
Sheesh.
Incredible.
2Thes 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Paul's use of "temple" is normally a reference to the church.
Are you honestly insisting that
that Scripture
2Thes 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Does NOT have to do with the Anti-Christ exalting himself above all that is called God . . . in a physical building Temple????
Shocking. Hard to believe even though I read it with my own eyes.
The verse is
1. CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER of the Anti-Christ as described in all the Scriptures about him.
2. CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS of the Anti-Christ as described in several Scriptures.
3. CONSISTENT WITH A KEY ACT of the Anti-Christ as described in at least a few Scriptures.
4. CONSISTENT WITH THE ATTITUDE of the Anti-Christ in terms of exalting himself above all that is called or considered God . . . at a key point in THE GREAT TRIBULATION.
5. CONSISTENT WITH THE DEMAND of the Anti-Christ described in Scripture—TO BE WORSHIPPED AS GOD else the hapless subject shall be executed . . . such as not taking the mark and not bowing down to the Anti-Christ.
6. CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT ERA OF WORLD TV COVERAGE AS NO OTHER TIME IN THE LAST 2,000 YEARS COULD THE SPECIFIC PROPHECIES ABOUT THE WHOLE WORLD—as in every Nation, tribe, people group VIEWING SUCH EVENTS HAVE BEEN TRUE.
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So, I suppose, not too many years hence, WHEN the Anti-Christ sets up his image in the rebuilt Jewish Temple’s holy of holies and demands to be worshipped as God . . .
SUDDENLY WAKING THE JEWS UP THAT THEY’VE BEEN HAD AND HE’S AN IMPOSTER
Watching such on TV . . . assuming one hasn’t already been terminated or Raptured . . .
one should assume from the REPLACEMENTARIAN positions so preposterously pontificated hereon . . .
that . . .
—it’s a wayward lost episode of STARGATE SG-1?
—it’s a rejected sequence from THE MATRIX V?
—it’s a ET Broadcast fantasy of SHRILLERY’s?
—it’s a repeated and obsessively enjoyed dream of Georg Soros broadcast by means of ET technology on the world’s screens?
—what???
So . . . is it your position that we are NOW AFTER the Millenial reign of Christ????
Goodness! That must take some real mental gymnastics to arrive at.
1864 . . .
No . . . not the same at a..
Israel had not become a Nation again in a day as Scripturally predicted in 1864.
That came in 1948.
It appears that REPLACEMENTARIANS would profit from
a better study of history
as well as
a better study of Scripture.
Even a better scratch on the surface of those topics might help.
If you read the context of Isaiah 13 you’ll see that prophecy was fulfilled against ancient Babylon thousands of years ago.
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Oh, really?
No. I don’t think so. I won’t see any such thing in anywhere near the terms REPLACEMENTARIANS seem to.
Though there are some prophetic Scriptures with more than one fulfillment involved.
You mean
near
as in a thousand years is as a day
near?
Those verses present no challenging problem at all to my construction on Scriptural prophetic realities.
I’ve heard that rubber Bibles don’t clarify them, however.
for reading present-day prophecy tea leaves.
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No, for basic understanding or present-day Biblical prophetic truths and realities.
Love your fitting and readily available Scriptures.
Thx.
More than one Soviet defector has asserted relentlessly that the so called “fall” of the Soviet Union was a carefully crafted ploy of the puppet masters to hoodwink the world and especially the USA.
Further, that we should not trust their ‘niceness’ one microgram’s worth.
Hal is on another network now. He is still saying Russia is going to attack Israel.
one should assume from the REPLACEMENTARIAN positions so preposterously pontificated hereon . . .
And "Division theology" is what you got.
Sure does
Thanks for the ping to the video - will watch it later tonight.
That's even more disconcerting for your position. So then the son of perdition as God will sit in the church of God, shewing himself that he is God. Is that what's going to happen???
It may be that the fall of the Soviet Union was a “carefully crafted deception.”.....
But as always our Omniscient Omnipotent God, the Ancient of Days, the Creator of time, the unseen One at work IN time, IN history, to HIs good pleasure and according to HIS WORD......has his purposes for all nations. He called Cyrus his servant. He is not above using the plans, the intentions, the actions of evil “kings” or “empires” to accomplish His Word.
Today Russia is Russia, not the Soviet Union.
Since the fall of the Soviet Union, Christians HAVE been able to worship in a degree of freedom and ministry unheard of in decades in the old USSR....reaching untold millions with the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Jewish refugees HAVE been able to emigrate *from the North) to Israel....fulfilling more of God’s word whose promises and calling cannot be revoked.
No matter what the ultimate and ulterior motives and purposes of what has gong on in the USSR, now Russia, God IS ultimately in control. And His Word Shall be fulfilled!
You realize I hope, Quix, that this really did happen in AD 70? I mean the Romans entered the conquered temple, set up their regimental standards, and worshipped them, as well as the emperor, and their commander, the future emperor (and son of the current emperor) Titus Flavius Vespasianus, etc.
That's not to say that it won't happen again, or that what happened in AD 70 isn't a pale foreshadowing of the "real thing" at the end of time ... but the prophecy has really, truly been fulfilled.
At least once.
And then there's the whole issue of what's there now.
Perhaps the "man of perdition" has been figuratively "sitting" in the Holy of Holies for several centuries now, if you get my meaning. Or, more accurately, an important outpost of the religion he founded, from which he supposedly ascended to heaven, is currently planted firmly atop the spot where the Holy of Holies once stood.
Uh, no. The Church isn't responsible for telling historians how to refer to time periods, and the "middle ages" are called that by historians because they're in between the ancient era and the modern one.
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