All Saints and All Souls

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[Salvation]

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[Salvation]

Unfortunately, the modern world concentrates more on the Halloween part of this rather than the Eve of All Hallows.

[The_Reader_David]

Just for reference: in the Christian East, the Feast of All Saints is still celebrated in accord with the ancient Antiochian and Western tradition on the Sunday after Pentecost. The East’s equivalent of All Souls is multiple: we keep Soul Saturdays in commemoration of all of the faithful departed several times throughout the year.

[DouglasKC]

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[lightman]

There is a wonderful service for the Vigil of All Hallow’s in the Episcopal Book of Occasional Services.

It is intended for use in the context of Vespers; after the customary opening verses and prayers a sequence of Scripture, Psalm, Silence, and Prayer is followed:

The Witch of Endor

LESSON 1 Samuel 28:3-19
PSALM 130
SILENCE
PRAYER

The Vision of Eliphaz the Tishbite

LESSON Job 4:12-21
PSALM 108:1-6
SILENCE
PRAYER

The Valley of Dry Bones

LESSON Ezekiel 37:1-14
PSALM 143:1-11
SILENCE
PRAYER

The War in Heaven

LESSON Revelation 12:7-12
PSALM 103:17-22
SILENCE
PRAYER

The service then concludes with the Te Deum and Intercessions.

[Salvation]

I like the idea of the Soul Saturdays. Wow, what a concept.

[Salvation]

LOL! You didn’t put your ghouls, goblins and ghost thread in here.

[Salvation]

I think I am reading that evening, because another person wanted to go out with the grandchildren. I’ll check on our readings and see if they coincide here.

[Campion]

Your article, not surprisingly, is pretty confused.

All Saints' Day did not begin as any sort of pagan anything.

Samhain was Samhain back when All Saints, in the West, was where it still is today in the East, the Sunday after Pentecost.

Moving the Western observance of All Saints' to November 1 was a decision made in Rome, and had nothing at all to do with the pagan Celts or their holidays. (The primary motivation seems to have been to put the celebration after the harvest when the pilgrims could be easily fed. Food supplies are obviously going to be a bit sparser in the spring, and Rome already had to feed many pilgrims during Lent and Easter.)

[Salvation]

Reading 1
Rv 7:2-4, 9-14

 

Responsorial Psalm
Ps 24:1bc-2, 3-4ab, 5-6

 

Reading II
1 Jn 3:1-3

 

Gospel
Mt 5:1-12a

Quite different, huh?

[DouglasKC]

LOL! You didn’t put your ghouls, goblins and ghost thread in here.

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[lightman points out a wonderful Anglican service for the Vigil of All Hallows (see below) --Huber]

There is a wonderful service for the Vigil of All Hallow’s in the Episcopal Book of Occasional Services. It is intended for use in the context of Vespers; after the customary opening verses and prayers a sequence of Scripture, Psalm, Silence, and Prayer is followed: The Witch of Endor LESSON 1 Samuel 28:3-19 PSALM 130 SILENCE PRAYER The Vision of Eliphaz the Tishbite LESSON Job 4:12-21 PSALM 108:1-6 SILENCE PRAYER The Valley of Dry Bones LESSON Ezekiel 37:1-14 PSALM 143:1-11 SILENCE PRAYER The War in Heaven LESSON Revelation 12:7-12 PSALM 103:17-22 SILENCE PRAYER The service then concludes with the Te Deum and Intercessions.

[dangus]

Actually, Samhain is the festival of the dead at the end of “summer”; Samionos is a month Samionos was tied to a lunar calendar, but could certainly be translated to a solar calendar as November. Even neopagan authors have questionned the neopagan assertion that the feast of Samhein was related to Samionos: Samionos was roughly November; Samhein means (grossly translated) “end of summer”. Summer, as translated here, lasted three months and began in May. Presumably, then, Samhein was in August.

Now, anyone care to guess why an 8th-century Italian pope would even care about a Celtic calendar observation? Don’t forget that in the 8th Century, the Celtic lands (Eire, Scots, Mannx, Wales, and Brittany) were probably the most tenuously Catholic of all Roman lands, stubbornly quarreling with the Roman-established archdiocese of Canterbury.

[Gamecock]

October 31st?!?

Happy Reformation Day!!!

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Happy Reformation Day!!!

AMEN!.

And "Luther" was a great and compelling movie.

[N3WBI3]

I was pretty surprised at how well made it was, I watched it with my Wife and my parents who came in town for my daughters dedication. Wife and Mother loved it, my father being roman catholic thinks Luther was evil incarnate but said he was impressed with the movie.

[Alex Murphy]

Happy Reformation Day, Gamecock!

[Campion]

Catholic apologist Dave Armstrong finds a few things wrong with "Luther" (the movie). (Long essay!)

[George W. Bush]

Did you catch this one:

Tominthebox News Network - Religious Humor/Satire: More Churches Accepting and Affirming Calvinists in Their Midst