Posted on 10/14/2007 8:25:58 PM PDT by Salvation
Note: The Church does not lean on private revelation for doctrinal matters, but it does not oppose to the faithful obtaining benefit from them so long as they don't go against our faith.
This analysis focuses on the last five Popes in the context of the prophecies of Saint Malachy.
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Saint Malachy was born in Amagh Ireland in 1094, he lived a religious life as a monk, then he was ordained priest and finally Bishop. He was canonized in 1199 by Pope Clement III. His biography was compiled by Saint Bernard, a contemporaneous saint.
He made a pilgrimage to Rome and during the end of the year 1139 and the beginning of 1140 had a series of visions about 112 Popes from Celestine III, elected Pontiff in 1130 until the last Pope who is described in his list as Peter Romanus.
After the last Roman Pontiff, Saint Malachy predicts the end of the world.
The Benedictine historian Arnold Wion was the first person to mention these prophecies in his book Lignum Vitae, published in 1559.
These prophecies are short, but they have demonstrated to be very accurate, even though in the time of their publication they caused much controversy as some claimed that they were falsified.
The book of prophecies of Saint Malachy was published originally in 1969 by Colin Smythe Ltd. in England, with the title "Prophecies of St. Malachy and St. Columbkille."
Tan Books published the book in the United States in 1973 with the title "Prophecies of Saint Malachy" its author is Peter Bander.
The foreword reads like this:
In publishing THE PROPHECIES OF SAINT MALACHY, Colin Smythe Limited have produced an instructive and entertaining book.
There is great deal of instant information in Peter Bander's nutshell biographical accounts of the popes who occupied the Roman See since the year 1143 to our present time - and indeed of the antipopes as well. The remarkable way in which the visions St Malachy is alleged to have had, are shown to apply to the succesive individual popes is most amusing. Is it not the case to repeat: "Se non e vero, e ben trovato"? (If it is not true, it is well rhymed)
Whatever one may think of the genuineness of the prophecies attributed to Saint Malachy, here is a fascinating study which provides the curious reader with much profit and pleasure.
Archbishop H.E. Cardinale
Apostolic Nuncio to Belgium and Luxemburg, until recently Apostolic Delegate to Great Britain.
It is curious to think that whenever there is a Conclave, the Cardinals read these prophecies of the saint, and even though they are not ecclesiastic authority they give an idea of what has happen and of what is to occur.
Prophecies of Saint Malachy
This study is an analysis based on private revelation and observations of what is taking place now. It is not to be taken as an official position of the Church. It is good to remind us of the words of the Lord: "stay awake."
The last five popes are mentioned with the following titles:
Flos Florum
De medietate Lunae
De Labore Solis
Gloria Olivae
Petrus Romanus
Flos Florum - Flower of flowers
Pope Paul VI
Pontiff from 1963 to 1978.
Giovanni Battista Montini. In his coat of arms there are three "fleurs de lis"
With great success he concluded Vatican Council II, he made rigorous reforms to the Roman Curia, he traveled the five continents and was called peregrine pope . In 1965 he was well received and accepted at his address to the UN. Author of the encyclicals opulorum progressio (1967), Humanae vitae July 24, 1968. He died in August 6, 1978, feast of the Transfiguration.
De medietate Lunae - Of the half moon
Papa Juan Pablo I ' Abino Luciani
Pontiff for 33 days.
He was born on 17 of October 1912 in Forno di Canale, called now Canale de Agordo, he was baptized the same day by his midwife, for fear of his death, he was later baptized by a priest.
After a life dedicated to the Church as a priest, he was elected Pope during the second day of the Conclave in August 26, 1978. He died of cardiac attack in September 28 1978, thirty three days after the beginning of his papacy.
"De la media luna" Of the half moon is a very accurate description regarding his beginning and also his short pontificate. Even his name Abino Luciani means white light, it has been mentioned that the most important events of his life took place in dates of half moon.
De Labore Solis - From the toil of the sun - or - Of the eclipse of the sun.
Pope John Paul II
Pontiff from 1978 to 2005
This description fits John Paul II perfectly, since he emerged as a especial light for the Catholic Church, promoting the faith from all angles. The works of John Paul II were truly the work of God, the labor of the sun.
The second meaning of "De labore solis" is a solar eclipse, in which the sun seems to struggle in order to give its light. Perhaps the fact that John Paul II, was a very Marian Pope who had a special devotion to the Virgin Mary, the woman clothed with the sun that appears in the Apocalypse, suggests that the sun (Our Lord) has been temporarily eclipsed by the moon (Our Lady).
John Paul II was a great humanist and peacemaker, a traveler Pope, proclaimer of the gospel in more than 130 countries throughout the world, author of many apostolic letters, encyclicals and books. Canonizer of more saints in his pontificate than any other Pope in all history. During his last years as Pope he concluded his pontificate proclaiming the Holy Trinity, the Virgin Mary and the Eucharist.
Year 1997. God the Son
Year 1998. God the Holy Spirit
Year 1999. God the Father
Year 2000
24 December 1999 - 6 January 2001Great Jubilee.
Year 2002-2003. Year of the Holy Rosary, institution of the Luminous mysteries.16 October 2002 - 31 October 2003
Year 2005. The Holy Eucharist. 17 October 2004 - 29 October 2005
Gloria Olivae - The Glory of the olive
Benedict XVI
Joseph Ratzinger
Starts Pontificate in April 2005
He chose his name in honor of Saint Benedict, author of the very strict rule of the Benedictines.
His motto is "Co-worker of the Truth."
He has been known even before becoming Pope as a conservative man, ready to defend the Catholic principles that represent the truth of the teachings of Christ.
Our new Pontiff is covered under the sign of the olive according to the prophecies of St. Malachy
The branches of the olive were symbols of peace and victory for Noah after the flood. Throughout history, we know that olive branches have made crowns for kings and athletes as symbols of power and glory. The olive tree thrives in silent areas, such as the garden of olives where Jesus suffered his agony before being arrested by the soldiers.
Olive oil has anointed kings, saints, popes and in a especial way all Christians.
The leaves and the oil of the olive tree have medicinal properties, derived from the oleic acid which is an anti cancer component. The good kitchen cannot exist without olive oil. The best paints have olive oil base, to give them luster and to increase their durability.
The olive is a symbol of peace, abundance, glory and purification.
The Church has been through a period of light, and now is the the time to celebrate and pick up the fruits of the previous pontificate of John Paul. It is quite possible that they will bring many conversions and an increase in the faith especially from the young people.
With the purifying properties of the olive, our new Pontiff comes to challenge error. He presents himself exposing the truth of our faith with a special courage, he is prepared to heal the cancer of heresy, the infection of apostasy and to promote the health of our Catholic faith.
According to the prophecies of Saint Malachy, Pope Benedict XVI is the Pope before the last one, named "Gloria Olivae" which means the glory of the olive, it is to be a time of glory and rejoicing for the true Church.
Due to the straightforwardness of our new Pontiff, great opposition is expected, but the Spirit of God is with him and we are in good hands.
Petrus Romanus - Peter Roman
The apostle Peter was the first Pope of the Church, elected directly by our Lord Jesus Christ:
You are Peter, the rock. On this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the Kingdom, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven, whatever you loose on earth will be loose in Heaven. (Matthew 16:18-19)
Peter, the same as Christ, drank of the same chalice of suffering when he died as a martyr.
The body of Christ, the Church represents our Lord Jesus Christ.
The last two pontiffs will have to face the fury of the enemy who will make a violent persecution to Christianity. Faithful as Peter, the last Pontiff will take care of his flock in the midst of the attacks of the enemy.
2 Thessalonians 3-4 speaks of the apostasy of the last times before the second coming of Christ, when evil will be defying everything that is sacred. The man of iniquity, or the anti-Christ will take his seat in the temple of God.
This does not necessarily means the embodiment of the devil but if could mean the evil that is being accepted broadly when human beings who are temples of the spirit of God are being desecrated by their own wickedness.
Just as the Lord lived, taught us, gave us spiritual food and saved us by his death on the cross, the Church being the mystical body of Christ has a similar task. Therefore the church is to be persecuted, insulted and finally crucified, in preparation for the coming of the Lord.
But just as the Lord rose after his death, the Church will also be resurrected for the Glory of God.
No one knows the day nor the hour, but the Lord tells us to be ready.
The prophecies of Saint Malachy end like this:
In the persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock among many tribulations after which the seven hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
I make fun of “Slow Children” signs too but I guess you wouldn’t find that funny either.
I’ll be honest, I don’t care much about your beliefs, about as much as you care about mine, I would imagine.
I think that we should care about his beliefs, in the manner that we care about whether our children shut off the lights when leaving the room.
We ought to look upon our Protestant brethren as noble Columbus looked upon the Indian when he arrived in North America. The difference is, of course, wilfull, versus undeveloped, but still, we have the burden - the Great Mission - given to us and we must bring the Good News of Salvation - not the oppressive news of everlasting hellfire - to the spiritual savages and deal with the descendants of the Lutheran Visigoths, hacking and slashing at the Bible and its contents.
We need to uplift them. We need to be as sheepdogs, guiding the hapless and helpless and empty headed sheep into the safety of the Lord. It is beyond me how to get the most obstinate and hard headed and stoney hearted back into the fold. Yet, that is part of our charge.
Lord help us all.
If a person says your beliefs are wrong, he is saying that you are going to hell if you don’t change your ways. He did this on post 5732.
If a person calls my beliefs warped, twisted, unBiblical, he is in effect, saying I am going to hell unless I recant. He did this in post 5701.
If a person says that what I believe is a NASTY theology, he is saying that I will go to hell unless I repent. He did this in post 5640.
If a person says my beliefs are not Christian, he is saying that unless I change to his belief, I will go to hell. He did this in post 4381.
I could go on. He, and others, say these things to hurt those who believe as we do. When you call into question the beliefs of others, you are most certainly saying that they will go to hell unless they change.
Any good Christian knows that God is the sole judge of the soul.
I’ve looked at a topo map.
Jerusalem does not have seven hills.
No, you are incorrect. You should see all of my posts on this thread. I do not think that any body that is actively preaching faith in Jesus Christ can be Mystery Babylon.
I do, however, think it is most likely that it is something occultic that comes out of Rome.
I agree. The Rome of today does not rule over the kings of the earth. I think I said this elsewhere.
However, it was the city that ruled over the kings of the earth in the days of John. At that time, Jerusalem certainly did not.
Jerusalem does not have seven hills.
Close, but you just didnt fit all the imagery into its proper place.
It's a symbol referring to the relationship between Jerusalem and Rome at the time of the crucifixion of Christ and the persecution of the Church. Rome is the beast with seven heads and ten horns on which the woman rides.
Of the "harlot" we are told, "the kings of the earth committed fornication" with her. This imagery is taken straight from the book of Ezekiel, where Israel the harlot is described like this:
"You offered yourself to everyone who passed by, and multiplied your acts of harlotry. You also committed harlotry with the Egyptians, your very fleshly neighbors, and increased your acts of harlotry to provoke Me to anger. " (Eze. 16:25,26)Jerusalem is described as "the great city" in chapter 11, "which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.""Then the Babylonians came to her, into the bed of love, And they defiled her with their immorality; So she was defiled by them, and alienated herself from them. She revealed her harlotry and uncovered her nakedness. Then I alienated Myself from her, As I had alienated Myself from her sister." (Eze. 23:17,18)
You need to understand the spiritual nature of the book of Revelation and put yourself in the place of 1st century Christians or you will never get the symbols.
The fact remains that there is no way you can get the "harlot" image to fit pagan Rome. Only Jerusalem (Israel), the wife of God, was in a position to play the spiritual harlot.
This is also seen by understanding the contrast between the "harlot" and "the bride" (heavenly Jerusalem) in Revelation.
TC, I respect you, and I know you have lots of knowledge on the subject, but I also know we come from entirely different perspectives on this. You have to read what I say by looking through my premill lens. I have to read what you say by looking through your preterist lens.
When I see a place where those biases would affect interpretation, symbology, or even history, then I should be honest about my own (and your) tendencies in certain directions.
The topo map clearly does not have Jerusalem having 7 hills. (There are only 3 clear hills inside the entire Old City.)
I haven’t checked the topo of Rome yet, but I will. I’ll try to be just as honest.
“I am certain the English language affords you sufficient latitude to establish the “error of Rome” as you call it without mongering hatred.
Excerpts taken from historical documents may or may not be delivered in a hateful manner. It’ll be case by case.”
This is the first Religion thread I’ve read for years. Very testy, indeed.
I must say I admire your magisterial tone!
To: suzyjaruki
And you have the kindness of a mother.
My drinking days are in the distant and dusty past of college and divorce; hemachromatosis has taken care of that. But I occasionally indulge in a Guinness.
I find it interesting that some people cannot separate beliefs from the person holding them. For instance, I work very closely with a devout LDS member. I like, respect, and trust this man. At the same time, I regard his beliefs as completely wrong and anti Christian.
In his posts, irishtenor exhibits evidence of being a righteous and good man. I regard his beliefs as completely wrong, as well.
My LDS friend and I get along well. We have not had direct debate because we are in a professional environment; if we did so out of that environment, then as far as I am concerned, our discussions would remain on a different level or plane and not reflect upon our professional relationship.
What you regard as taunting, I regard as making a valid point. So be it.
5,732 posted on 09/08/2007 9:53:02 AM MDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
To: irishtenor
I do not tread on irishtenors beliefs.
I do, however, believe that the belief of the creation and subsequent casting of the bulk of humanity into hellfire forever for no reason other than its the whim of the Almighty is a nasty belief. Especially when it completely contradicts the bulk of the Bible and practically the entire Gospels.
I believe that Calvinism is warped and twisted and completely unBiblical and completely opposite to the beliefs of the Church Fathers. I have debated with irishtenor and found, to this point anyway, that he is rational and serious and yet commmitted to this belief. How would you have me proceed?
5,701 posted on 09/07/2007 7:58:15 PM MDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
To: irishtenor
What a nasty theology.
And what a tortuous logic it requires to defend it.
Ony chilrdern of God have the capacity to please God. Only a child of God can choose to please God. In that sense, only a child of God has free will.
The robot slave is the only one with free will; all those who exercise free will to not worship God dont have free will...
Ive posted before quantities of verses pulled from all over the Bible saying that God wants all people to be with Him. It is the purpose of His creation of man - to have all of them willingly worshiping Him.
Im afraid that we are rehashing old ground here - I give you the Gospels which give direction to all men and you give me Saint Paul who was admonishing a couple of churches under his bishopric - and then apply them to all men (when they were specific to those churches) over top of and instead of the words of Jesus.
5,640 posted on 09/07/2007 11:16:59 AM MDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
To: irishtenor
You dont appear that way to me.
You have a simplistic elitist philosophy complete with a Gnostic knowledge about your eternal salvation.
It aint Christianity. Its a cheat, developed by a power mad tyrant in Geneva.
4,381 posted on 08/26/2007 7:36:25 PM MDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
I read them and I don’t see where he says you’re going to hell. He may not have a lot of respect for your beliefs but I just don’t see him saying anything about you being hellbound.
***I was at one time contemplating becoming Catholic, but I’ve changed my mind. (Partly as a result of what I’ve read in this forum.***
Glenmerle, if I have in any way contributed to your decision not to become Catholic, I most sincerely apologize. Jesus deserves so much better from me and it must grieve Him deeply if I have led someone to turn away from His Church. My witness is very poor. I have a problem with my temper and am not able to be charitable at all times. I ask you to forgive me.
I know. It is precisely that reason that I don’t normally reply to any of them.
I care about them in the sense that I don’t wish them to go to hell, I do wish that they experience the love of God but my weakness and humanity and my protectiveness of the Church come to the fore when they attack the Church.
Some accuse Catholics of loving the Church more than Christ but they don’t understand that loving the Church IS loving Christ and loving one another IS loving Christ. I know I fall short and I do pray about it.
Oops, I should have pinged you to 211 and 212.
Might I suggest you would be more honest if you were dealing with Scriptures rather than investigating topo maps. That seems to suggest you are only fueling your own biases.
Is it you contention that all those verses I mentioned have no significance, or that you merely disagree with the connection that Ive drawn from them?
I just looked at a topgraphic map and ancient Jerusalem was not built on 7 hills. There are only 3 hills inside the Old City, and perhaps 4 if you include the ridge that runs up to the supposed site of the Davidic palace.
100 AD Rome, on the other hand, does have at least 7 hills inside the walled-in area. Again, this is an issue of how you count the humps of a ridged mountain. In any case, they are inside the city while Mt Olives is outside of Jerusalem.
The Mount of Olives is outside the city (as evidenced by the map, and also by the gospel accounts themselves.)
One attempt I saw to come up with 7 include the Mount of Olives and tried to make the one Mount into 3 hills.
Now I’ve got to find a topo of the Rome of St John. One account I read said that when the city was founded the founders intentionally put it behind 7 hills to protect it from the sea. It says they intentionally named it “7-Hilled City” to draw attention to the symbolism of the number 7.
That raises the issue of Rome 17 saying that the sea captains of the world would stand off from the destruction of that city and lament its loss. It appears to be a port city.
That does not describe Jerusalem which is 40 rough, highland miles inland as the crow flies. Rome is about 30 miles across a less highland region from the coast; again as the crow flies.
Whatever else we might say about the destruction of the 7-hilled city, the destruction does not seem to be of a type that endangered the lives of those ships standing off the coast.
I started 217 last night, fell asleep, went to the office, and returned just shortly ago to the home office.
I made a few posts in between, but rather than look them up, I just posted 217 with updates.
The topo maps are reality. As facts, they will be hand-in-hand with the truth of scripture. Truth is truth wherever it's found.
If it is named as Sodom & Egypt, then it probably isn't also Rome.
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