LDS defend the faith as Christian

The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 10/07/07 | By Peggy Fletcher Stack

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Not only is Mormonism a Christian faith, it is the truest form of Christianity, said speaker after speaker on the first day of the 177th Semiannual LDS General Conference. LDS authorities were responding to the allegation that Mormonism isn't part of Christianity. Made by different mainline Protestant and Catholic churches and repeated constantly during coverage of Mitt Romney's presidential campaign, the claim is based on Mormonism's beliefs about God, its rejection of ancient ideas about the Trinity still widely accepted, and the LDS Church's extra-biblical scriptures. "It is not our purpose to demean any person's belief nor the doctrine of any religion," said Apostle Jeffrey R. Holland in the afternoon session. "But if one says we are not Christians because we do not hold a fourth- or fifth-century view of the Godhead, then what of those first [Christians], many of whom were eye-witnesses of the living Christ, who did not hold such a view either?"

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The day's sermons included many familiar themes, including the importance of faith, the need for pure thoughts and actions, avoiding pornography reaching out to neighbors and eliminating spiritual procrastination. Hinckley talked about the destructive nature of anger in marriages, on the road, and in life, urging Mormons to "control your tempers, to put a smile upon your faces, which will erase anger; speak with words of love and peace, appreciation and respect."

[Old Mountain man]

Since you obviously know very little about us, who said they would provide mankind with the philosophies of men mingled with a little scripture?

That is elementary to any real Saint.

[FastCoyote]

“If this church and others are wrong, which church should I join?”

Join the Catholics, the Lutherans, many fundamentalist churches, Baptists, even Methodists and Presbyterians if they aren’t too far fetched. There are many churches that will fill the bill, or you could even be a church of one. Just ditch the stuff JS concocted and you’ll be most of the way there.

[Osage Orange]

You see, I still question my church’s claim to be the one true church, but people like you only make me want to defend where I am and not look for why you might be right.

Baloney. ROFLOL!!...That's not what you said in this post of yours.....#1102.

After studying the many churches, I come to find the Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints to be the church God leads, Through Jesus, then through his prophet.

Those were your words...not mine.

[Old Mountain man]

You failed to produce a list you were challenged to provide a list of those Churches you consider to be Christian. You have ducked and dodged and failed to do so. Why is that? Are you unable to understand what a Christian is? Do you believe that a Christian has to subscribe to greek philosophy promulgated by a Roman emperor?

Come, come, let’s have your credentials for having the ability to challenge the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

[Osage Orange]

And yet, we accept more groups as people who are trying to follow Christ then you do. You are the ones that keep telling us, that if a church does not agree with you, they are not Christians.

Good dodge...I'll grant you that. ROFLOL!!

You've no idea what groups I think are Christians..and who aren't. Gimme a break.

No...it's if a church agrees with the Word. I've nothing to do with it.

You've still not addressed your statement.

I don't expect you to....Frankly I think you made a mistake..and are just trying to muddy the waters.

So be it.

[Old Mountain man]

So, when are you going to accept all of the Word?

[Osage Orange]

So, when are you going to accept all of the Word?

If by that you mean...the B of M..and your other mormon documents.

Never.

[Old Mountain man]

No, I meant all of the New Testament. I am not trying to shove our sacred standard works down your throat, just asking about your complete acceptance of the Holy Bible. Don’t read in something that isn’t there.

[Elsie]

You see, I still question my church’s claim to be the one true church, but people like you only make me want to defend where I am and not look for why you might be right.

So; you're comflicted about it.

I'm sure you'll now get FREEPmail from your buddies telling you not to express thoughts like this in public.

[Elsie]

Anyone who takes the time to check a little farther will see that you are using sound bites of partial truth in you posts.

I can post the WHOLE chapter and then someone would complain about spam.

I post what I think is relevant to the discussion.

[Elsie]

now will you answer the REAL QUESTION, “Will you help us to not join another wrong church?”

That's what we've been doing all along, but you seem to take offense at our help.

[Elsie]

Yes.

One or two?

[Elsie]

They are all His.

I got that part:

According to LDS organization doctrine; just which LEVEL of Heaven is Jesus going to inhabit?

[Elsie]

According to LDS organization doctrine; just which LEVEL of Heaven is Jesus going to inhabit?

I think a fellow named Joseph, in Egypt, a LONG time ago hard this already figgered out.

[Elsie]

No; it's not moot.

How do you know that YOUR branch of the Mormon group of churches is correct?

There are MANY of them.

It would seem to me that the folks who control the original property when JS started should be the most correct.

[Elsie]

Celestial Kingdom, of course.

Is this the place the TR folks go or the place the other 80% go??

[Elsie]

HUH?

Ya lost me with that non-answer.

[Elsie]

Come, come, let’s have your credentials for having the ability to challenge the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

Ok...

 

 Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

 

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Acts 6:3-5
 3.  Brothers, choose seven men from among you who are known to be full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will turn this responsibility over to them
 4.  and will give our attention to prayer and the ministry of the word."
 5.  This proposal pleased the whole group. They chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit; also Philip, Procorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolas from Antioch, a convert to Judaism.

 

Acts 11:19-26
 19.  Now those who had been scattered by the persecution in connection with Stephen traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus and Antioch, telling the message only to Jews.
 20.  Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus.
 21.  The Lord's hand was with them, and a great number of people believed and turned to the Lord.
 22.  News of this reached the ears of the church at Jerusalem, and they sent Barnabas to Antioch.
 23.  When he arrived and saw the evidence of the grace of God, he was glad and encouraged them all to remain true to the Lord with all their hearts.
 24.  He was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and faith, and a great number of people were brought to the Lord.
 25.  Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul,
 26.  and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

 

Acts 13:12
   When the proconsul saw what had happened, he believed, for he was amazed at the teaching about the Lord.

 

Acts 17:16-19
 16.  While Paul was waiting for them in Athens, he was greatly distressed to see that the city was full of idols.
 17.  So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there.
 18.  A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
 19.  Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?"

 

Acts 18:11
   So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.

 

Romans 6:17
   But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted.

 

Romans 12:6-7
 6.  We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man's gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his  faith.
 7.  If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach;

 

Romans 15:4
   For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

 

Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

 

1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.

 

1 Corinthians 11:1-2
 1.  Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.

 

Ephesians 4:14
   Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.

 

2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

 

2 Thessalonians 3:6
   In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.

 

1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.

 

1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.

 

1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

 

1 Timothy 4:11-13
 11.  Command and teach these things.
 12.  Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity.
 13.  Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching.

 

 2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.

 

 

2 Timothy 2:2
  And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable men who will also be qualified to teach others.

 

2 Timothy 3:10-11
 10.  You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance,
 11.  persecutions, sufferings--what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them.

 

Hebrews 13:8-9
 8.  Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
 9.  Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings. It is good for our hearts to be strengthened by grace, not by ceremonial foods, which are of no value to those who eat them.

 

2 John 1:10
   If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.

 

Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

[Elsie]

So, when are you going to accept all of the Word?

 

About the same time as Joseph Smith ACCEPTED all of THIS!!!

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THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI

CHAPTER 2

 

  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.

[Elsie]

No, I meant all of the New Testament.

When will YOU accept those verses from the NEW TESTEMENT I have just posted?