Posted on 08/16/2007 5:12:39 PM PDT by annalex
Why I Returned to the Catholic Church. Part I: Darkness
Why I Returned to the Catholic Church. Part II: Doubts
Part III, for your reading and comment.
Even the Church recognizes the difference between "inspired" writings and "uninspired" writings; the first being written by God through men. So please tell me how there would be no "inspired" writings.
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Al says, there will be no canon: the books that are inspired will not be known as such.
One way to visualize it is to imagine a Religion section as Borders that would contain books like this:
Second Letter of John
Tea Leaves, Ouiji, And Other Inspired Stuff
Tao of Hydroponic Tomato
Hymns by Luther
Exodus and Joshua, commentary by Moshe Dayan
Jeremiah
Gospel of Thomas
City of God
Gospel of Judas
The Holy Koran
St. Paul For Dummies
Gospel of Mark and Letters of Peter, annotated by Jack Chick
...
LOL! Great analogy.
This thinking reveals why he converted, obviously he believes his new church was the deciding factor in what was Scripture. If he studied history at all he would know they were very late in recognizing the Canon.
Luke 24:44 "Then he said to them, These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me."
2Peter 3:15-16 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation-as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles,......as they do also the rest of Scriptures.
2 Timothy 4:11-13 Only Luke is with me....Bring the cloak that I left with with Carpus at Troas when you come-and the books, especially the parchments.
IOW, Scripture itself gives us a good idea of what should be in the Canon.
Also, the only books that were not written by Apostles in the New Testament are Mark, Luke, Acts, James and Jude. Mark was a coworker with Peter and traveled with Paul. Luke was a friend of Paul. The writers of James and Jude were Christ's brothers. The late recognition by the RCC was after the fact.
Exactly when did the RCC declare what was the Canon Annalex?
Can I get that from Amazon.com? Did General Dayan do a commentary on 1&2 Samuel and 1&2 Kings? If not, can we get Bibi Netanyahu to do it?
Just for a little balance here, my church has about 3,000 members.
Over half of them are converted Catholics.
“He referred to what he had passed on that he had heard from other witnesses. And he expected that to be binding.”
... and that oral tradition is what we find contained the the Gospels.
A post that is in poor taste is never justified.
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“A post that is in poor taste is never justified.”
I consider a culture of pedophilia within a priesthood to be in poor taste. Particularly when it is never punished by the Church.
I don’t know what he said but he isn’t a Freeper anymore.
Absolutely. It should be also noted that the Church's position on the matter is that the inspired writings were always recognized-at least the early Church. They knew what was inspired and what wasn't. It wasn't a matter of them picking and choosing them from a Border's aisle. It was as if the inspired ones had white, leather covers with gold leaf while the others were paperback. They weren't hard to tell.
It really was later in the Church that the leaders concocted the idea that they put together the scriptures. This is completely contrary to the early Church's view and, with all due respect, is rather laughable when talking about tradition. Had this author studied this he would not have made this careless mistake.
They weren’t “always recognized.” There were many apocryphal writings that had great currency in their day and in fact if you look at early art of that period, you will see depictions of some figures who are never mentioned in the Gospels but featured prominently in apocryphal writings.
This doesn’t necessarily mean that these figures never existed or that the apocryphal writings didn’t have some truth or reality to them. In some cases, the writings may have been based on oral tradition about figures and events, and they were often cited by perfectly orthodox Christian writers and preachers during the first couple of centuries of Christianity. However, their overall theological message was determined not to be in line with the truth. The Muratorian Canon (first known listing of the canonical books) may date to the 2nd century; even at the latest dating, it would be 4th century, and by the early 5th century, two Councils had decided on the matter and a definitive canon was issued by the Pope.
Protestants like to think that truth spontaneously wells out of an assembly, but the sad fact is that heresy can just as easily infect that assembly and the thing produced is not truth. There has to be a defining authority; the bishops and the Pope are that authority.
Even Luther knew this, but he decided that he was the authority, and he dropped a number of canonical books because they conflicted with his doctrine of sola fides. This was the first attempt to change the canon, and it was because he set himself up as the authority, not because a mysterious buried truth somehow seeped up from the ground somewhere.
Oh thanks, it’s just a wonderful journey.
Amen Brother!
There were all kinds of discussions, among early Christians and pronouncements by leaders of churches, before any synod/council convened to add their opinion. It is interesting that when councils did start to convene their opinions fell in line with what had already been recognized.
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