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To: annalex; HarleyD
Al says, there will be no canon: the books that are inspired will not be known as such.

This thinking reveals why he converted, obviously he believes his new church was the deciding factor in what was Scripture. If he studied history at all he would know they were very late in recognizing the Canon.

Luke 24:44 "Then he said to them, These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me."

2Peter 3:15-16 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation-as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles,......as they do also the rest of Scriptures.

2 Timothy 4:11-13 Only Luke is with me....Bring the cloak that I left with with Carpus at Troas when you come-and the books, especially the parchments.

IOW, Scripture itself gives us a good idea of what should be in the Canon.

Also, the only books that were not written by Apostles in the New Testament are Mark, Luke, Acts, James and Jude. Mark was a coworker with Peter and traveled with Paul. Luke was a friend of Paul. The writers of James and Jude were Christ's brothers. The late recognition by the RCC was after the fact.

Exactly when did the RCC declare what was the Canon Annalex?

7 posted on 08/16/2007 7:03:14 PM PDT by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: wmfights; annalex; livius
This thinking reveals why he converted, obviously he believes his new church was the deciding factor in what was Scripture. If he studied history at all he would know they were very late in recognizing the Canon.

Absolutely. It should be also noted that the Church's position on the matter is that the inspired writings were always recognized-at least the early Church. They knew what was inspired and what wasn't. It wasn't a matter of them picking and choosing them from a Border's aisle. It was as if the inspired ones had white, leather covers with gold leaf while the others were paperback. They weren't hard to tell.

It really was later in the Church that the leaders concocted the idea that they put together the scriptures. This is completely contrary to the early Church's view and, with all due respect, is rather laughable when talking about tradition. Had this author studied this he would not have made this careless mistake.

17 posted on 08/17/2007 2:24:59 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: wmfights; HarleyD; PetroniusMaximus
The canons of both testaments were first stated at the so-called African councils in late 4c. There has been no dispute regarding the canon since then in the East and in the West the matter was taken up by Luther, which prompted the restatement of the African canons by Trent.

There were considerable discussions all along what is and what is not inspired. The opinions varied widely: some considered only a few books: gospel of Luke and some Pauline epistles as inspired; others would include letters of the early popes as well. The cirteria for canonicity were

There were about 70 gospels to choose from. The manuscripts differed as well. The authorship is rarely spelled out in the books themselves, and was in dispute in many cases. The Church was the deciding factor in forming the New Testament Canon.

The Old Testament Canon was an easier matter thanks to the Jewish tradition; however, in an attempt to convict Christians of apostacy, the council of Jamnia (AD 90) removed books form the Septuagint and settled on the Masoretic Jewish Tradition instead, thus putting the Deuterocanonical books in doubt. That, too, was settled for the Christians in the African councils, till Luther decided to revive the controversy and eliminate books that did not fit his theological fantasies.

The books themselves were not written by baptist ministers either; all the human writers are saints of the Catholic Church.

For more, see

Canon of the Old Testament
Canon of the New Testament

21 posted on 08/17/2007 7:29:40 AM PDT by annalex
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