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THE TEN MOST COMMON LITURGICAL ABUSES And Why They're Wrong
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Posted on 08/01/2007 11:19:04 AM PDT by Salvation

THE TEN MOST COMMON LITURGICAL ABUSES

And Why They're Wrong

By Kevin Orlin Johnson

Before Vatican II there weren’t any surprises when it came to the Mass. Now in many parts of the United States you’ll find priests improvising as they go along. Even archbishops issue pastoral letters directing things at odds with liturgical regulations. As Pope John Paul II noted in a 1998 ad limina address to the American bishops of the western states, not all of the changes in the liturgy "have always and everywhere been accompanied by the necessary explanation and catechesis; as a result, in some cases there has been a misunderstanding of the very nature of the liturgy, leading to abuses, polarization, and sometimes even grave scandal."

"Scandal" is a word much in the news these days, but it doesn’t really mean a shameful or sexual misdemeanor. "Scandal" in the Church’s vocabulary means just what it means in the Bible: a stumbling block, something that obstructs a person’s way to the faith (Matt. 18:6–9).

When the Mass is presented as something casual, entertaining, or improvisational, the whole point of it disappears. If the priest conducts himself as if Christ were not truly present in the Eucharist, why should the lay people in his parish think the Eucharist means anything? Why should they bother to go to Mass at all? Although census figures report that the Church in America is growing, only twenty-five percent of Americans who call themselves Catholic attend Mass regularly (down from seventy percent before the liturgical reforms following Vatican II). Worse, close to two-thirds of American Catholics say they don’t believe in the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist—and many of those are among the twenty-five percent who still attend Mass.

A strong argument can be made that the loss of structure in liturgy caused an erosion of faith that in turn dealt a near-mortal blow to the American priesthood. Religious vocations, always sufficient in this country, began dropping off as the new order of the Mass was imposed without the necessary explanation and catechesis. Now many parishes have priests of other nationalities; we have become virtually a missionary country.

In an atmosphere of free-form liturgy, it’s up to the laity to know the laws about texts, gestures, the sacred objects used, and the proper conduct of the Mass; to obey those laws; and to see that the clergy obeys them, too. It’s up to us to call our priests back to due reverence when it comes to matters of taste that aren’t covered by law. It’s also important to know the difference between matters of law and matters of taste, because you have to know when you can insist and when you have to persuade. But by and large the laws binding on all priests are enough to bring back the reverence that is all too often missing.

If you question some liturgical practice at your parish, go to your nearest Catholic library or bookstore and have a look at these texts: the General Instruction on the Roman Missal (GIRM); the Code of Canon Law (its acronym, CIC, is derived from its Latin title, Codex Iuris Canonici); the Ceremonial of Bishops (CB); and the Ceremonies of the Modern Roman Rite (CMRR). The Documents on the Liturgy 1963-1979 (DOL) published by the Liturgical Press in Collegeville, Minnesota, includes many kinds of regulations in a single volume; so does The Liturgy Documents: A Parish Resource by Liturgy Training Publications at the Archdiocese of Chicago.

Check the directives from popes and Vatican congregations, particularly the Congregation for Sacraments and Divine Worship (CSDW). The Congregation publishes the answers to questions of interest in a periodical called Notitiae. These reinforcements of law are binding on all the faithful, and they go into greater detail than the laws themselves can; but mostly they repeat that the laws must be followed in this and every other instance.. Pauline Books & Media publishes many of these documents in inexpensive editions. And if you have a computer, check the Internet. You can easily find the complete texts of just about any Church document, free, including a good many articles from Notitiae.

Above all get a copy of the Order of Mass approved for use in the United States. Unfortunately, it’s hard to find the Order outside of huge altar books, which are expensive, or missalettes, which aren’t always accurate. Pangaeus Press in Dallas publishes an affordable edition of the Order.

When you have the applicable laws, write to the offending priest, citing the law, chapter, and verse and quoting it in full. Be objective and charitable; if you can, phrase your concerns as questions. An errant priest simply might not know what he’s doing, but whether he’s negligent or willful he might get obstinate or try to save face when his error is pointed out. If you get no satisfaction after a reasonable exchange, repeat your concerns to the priest in writing and send a copy to your bishop. It might end up being a longer and less pleasant process than you’d think. So be prepared to repeat the process and to keep the focus on the exact issue and the exact laws that it violates. As frustrating as the process might get, never lose your sense of charity. If your complaint comes to a successful conclusion, don’t crow about it; you haven’t won anything. The law has been fulfilled. The Blessed Sacrament has won.

Here are the most common abuses that you find in American liturgies today, with a few references to the laws that prohibit them. Check out those references and you’ll probably find laws on similar problems in your own parish.

1. Disregarding the prescribed text of the Order of Mass.

This particular abuse is perhaps the most widespread. You might think that the mere existence of a prescribed, official Order of Mass would be enough to show priests that they’re not to change or improvise, but it isn’t.

It’s not uncommon to find lectors eliminating male references to God in the Scripture readings or using the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible (or other inaccurate and unapproved ones) for the readings. You sometimes hear priests changing the words of the Nicene Creed—omitting the word "men" in "for us men and for our salvation" is the most common violation—or omitting the Creed altogether; saying aloud the prayers to be said quietly; or generalizing them, saying, for instance, "Lord, wash away our iniquities and cleanse us of our sins" (instead of "my" and "me").

You hear priests changing the tense and thereby the sense of phrases like "pray that our sacrifice is acceptable" instead of "may be acceptable" or "the Lord is with you" instead of "the Lord be with you." You hear them inviting the congregation to join in prayers specified as the priest’s alone. On occasion you even find priests winging it during the Eucharistic Prayer. And beyond the improvised words you’ll find a lot of flippant practices like using blue vestments for Marian feasts or gingerbread for the Eucharist at children’s Masses.

All of this is unlawful: "Regulation of the sacred liturgy depends solely on the authority of the Church, that is, on the Apostolic See and, as laws may determine, on the bishop. Therefore no other person, even if he be a priest, may add, remove, or change anything in the liturgy on his own authority" (Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, 22, repeated in documents like Sacram Liturgiam; Tres Abhinc Annos; CIC 841, 846; and many other laws and regulations). Deviations from the Order are illicit, and when done intentionally they’re a grave offense both against the Church and the faithful who have a right to an authentic liturgy (Inaestimabile Donum, CSDW, April 3, 1980).

2. Interrupting the Mass.

The priest has no more right to interrupt the Mass from the sanctuary than you have to interrupt it from the pews. At the conclusion of Mass the lector or priest may make general announcements for the information of the parish; that’s specified in the Order. But no one may stop the Mass to make announcements, give financial reports, or make pleas for funds (Inter Oecumenici; Inaestimabile Donum). No one may stop the Mass for extra homilies (CSDW, Liturgicae Instaurationes 2(a)) and certainly not for other activities that are themselves unlawful, like skits or "liturgical dance."

3. Omitting the penitential rite.

This one is often misunderstood. A priest may choose to use the rite of blessing and sprinkling as given in the Order, in which case he must omit the "Lord have mercy." But a priest can never omit the penitential rite altogether, and he cannot give a general absolution during the penitential rite of the Mass as a substitute for individual Reconciliation (nor can he do so during a communal penance service [CIC 961]).

There are other options available to the celebrant elsewhere in the Order. The sign of peace, for instance, is optional (GIRM 112). If he includes it, though, the priest is not allowed to leave the sanctuary to exchange it with the congregation (GIRM 136).

4. Replacing or omitting the homily.

A priest may omit the homily only on weekdays that are not holy days. On Sundays and holy days he must give a homily (Sacrosanctum Concilium; CIC 767); it should relate the readings to one another and indicate how their message can be applied to the lives of his parishioners (Paul VI, Evangelii Nuntianidi; Inter Oecumenici). No priest can substitute announcements, financial reports, or pleas in place of the homily, nor add such things to it. Of course the Holy See isn’t going to make a fuss if he takes a couple of sentences at the end of the homily to make an announcement, tell how much is in the building fund, or mention a second collection.

Nobody who is not a priest, deacon, or bishop can give the homily at Mass; nobody who is not ordained can give a "talk" or "reflection" in place of the homily (CIC 766–768). Although some few groups like the Society for the Propagation of the Faith have a dispensation to speak on behalf of an order or mission at the time appointed for the homily, it is never permitted without that dispensation—not even if he (or, worse, she) gives a short homily before launching into the appeal. An ordained minister gives a homily structured on certain guidelines; that’s it.

Incidentally, he may not leave the sanctuary during the homily (GIRM 97).

5. Dictating posture.

There are parishes where the ushers will ask you to stand when you’re kneeling. Many churches are being built now without kneelers to discourage you from kneeling at all. This violates the law and does no honor to Christ nor to the martyrs who died rather than compromise the outward signs of their faith.

But if the celebrant and his ushers can’t mandate your posture, the law can, and it does. Everybody at Mass is supposed to be uniform in standing, sitting, and kneeling (GIRM 20), and there are universal rules about it. In this country you are still required to kneel during the Consecration, from after the end of the Sanctus until the Great Amen, even if there aren’t any kneelers (GIRM 21; Appendix to the General Instruction 21). You are required to bow or kneel at the words "by the power of the Holy Spirit" in the Creed (GIRM 98). You are required to genuflect whenever you pass the Eucharist, whether it’s in the tabernacle or publicly exposed except when in procession (GIRM 233; CB 71). And contrary to what you might see these days, the Eucharist’s tabernacle can’t be tucked out of the way. It should be "placed in a part of the church that is prominent, conspicuous, beautifully decorated, and suitable for prayer" (CIC 938).

After Communion, though, you’re free to stand, sit, or kneel as you choose.

6. Dictating the manner of reception of the Eucharist.

Vatican II never mentioned receiving the host in hand. But when some countries introduced the practice illicitly Pope Paul VI surveyed the world’s bishops to see if it should be allowed where it already existed. Rather than suddenly suppressing reception in the hand, the pope granted an indult intended to let the practice continue for a time in those areas where it already existed. Oddly enough, the bishops of the United States—where the practice did not exist—asked permission of the Holy See to introduce it here. Even more amazingly, they got it.

Still, universal Church law does not permit reception of the Sacrament in the hand, and John Paul II disapproves of the practice. The indult that allowed it specified that reception in the hand "must not be imposed" (CSDW, En réponse, 1969). Absolutely no priest or extraordinary minister of Holy Communion may refuse to administer the Eucharist on the tongue. Your right to determine which lawful manner you use is stated in the GIRM (Appendix for the United States, 240b).

The chalice cannot be left on the altar for people to pick up and drink from, not even during lightly attended Masses. The celebrant must distribute the Sacrament (United States Bishops’ Directory on Communion Under Both Species, 47). In fact, you’re not allowed to dip your host into the chalice; you have to take the cup and drink from it (DCUBS 45).

By the way, as to Eucharistic ministers, it’s important to note that they’re not supposed to help distribute the Sacrament routinely; only if there’s an unusually large number of people at Mass or if they’re sent to distribute extraordinarily outside of Mass, as to the sick. They are not supposed to assist at all when a priest is in attendance. Their office has nothing whatever to do with increased participation by the laity.

7. Ignoring rules for reception of the Eucharist.

The official statement of the rules for reception has recently been rewritten by the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, and unfortunately it’s pretty vague. But it still says clearly that "in order to be properly disposed to receive communion, participants . . . normally should have fasted for one hour," abstaining from food and drink except water or medicine.

The rewrite also goes to great lengths to say that non-Christians and Christians not in communion with the Church are welcome to come to Mass, but it’s not nearly so clear as it used to be on the fact that they may not receive the Eucharist. The new phrase "ordinarily not admitted to holy communion" makes some Catholics—and too many priests—figure that it’s all right for non-Catholics to take communion on special occasions like weddings or funerals, or if the non-Catholic is a prominent person like a government official or head of state. Exceptions are so few and given in circumstances so rare that it might have been more helpful to write simply "not admitted to holy communion"; but that’s for the bishops to say.

Naturally, you’re also required to be free from "grave" sin—what we all used to call "mortal" sin—which means Reconciliation before reception if you have committed a grave offense. And, no, the theology about what constitutes a grave sin has not changed, even if the terminology has.

8. Holding hands during the Our Father.

This is oddly widespread in the United States but it’s an illicit addition to the liturgy. The official publication of the Sacred Congregation for the Sacrament sand Divine Worship, Notitiae (11 [1975] 226), states the practice "must be repudiated . . . it is a liturgical gesture introduced spontaneously but on a personal initiative; it is not in the rubrics." And anything not in the rubrics is unlawful, again because "no other person . . . may add . . . anything [to] the liturgy on his own authority" (ibid).

Notitiae (17 [1981] 186)) also reaffirms that the priest may never invite the congregation to stand around the altar and hold hands during the Consecration. He stays in the sanctuary and we stay outside of it.

9. Performing liturgical dance.

Introducing dance into the liturgy in the United States would be to add "one of the most desacralized and desacralizing elements" leading to "an atmosphere of profanity, which would easily suggest to those present worldly places and profane situations. Nor is it acceptable to introduce into the liturgy the so-called artistic ballet because it would reduce the liturgy to mere entertainment" (Notitiae 11 [1975] 202–205).

10. Closing the holy water fonts at some seasons.

This is another innovation introduced spontaneously, and while holy water fonts are not integral parts of the Mass, emptying them during Lent or Advent is wrong no matter how you look at it. It’s not found anywhere in liturgical law, which is reason enough to suppose it to be forbidden. And it makes absolutely no sense. Holy water is a sacramental, so its right use carries with it a certain degree of forgiveness of sin and remission of punishment (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1668; CB 110–114). There is no positive spiritual benefit in depriving the faithful of this legitimate aid at any time. In fact, removing it during penitential seasons is bizarre—that’s when we need it most.

By the way, because the penitential rite of the Mass and reception of the Eucharist remit venial sins, there’s no need to use holy water on the way out of Mass. Unless you’ve been up to some mischief in those few minutes.

As a postscript, I mention something that might be categorized as an abuse by the laity: parish-hopping. The Code of Canon Law provides that "The precept of participating in the Mass is satisfied by assistance at a Mass which is celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the holy day or on the evening of the preceding day" (1248, para. 1). Consequently, you can fulfill your Sunday obligation by going to a Mass anywhere. While your legal membership still remains in your local parish, the only times you are required to check in there are when you want to receive a special sacrament (e.g., marriage, confirmation) for which the priest needs the jurisdiction to administer.

Nevertheless, if you flee your home parish when things get ugly, you are in a sense not living up to your responsibility as a lay person. It is your duty to point out that liturgy is not entertainment. The liturgy is reality, the primary reality of this world. Christ is God, the reality on whom the secondary reality of creation depends ("through him all things were made," remember?). And the liturgy is the sacrament by which he comes personally and physically among us. The Mass is indisputably the single most important thing that human beings can do.

You have your part to fill in this great work. In fact, that’s what the liturgy is: the word is from the Greek meaning "the laity’s job." We are the Church itself, we are not the Church’s customers. Still less are we the Church’s audience. And we have a right to authentic liturgy (Inaestimabile Donum), liturgy exactly in line with all applicable rules and celebrated with a suitable sense of reverence (CIC 528). So if your priest offers sloppy, illicit, or even inappropriate liturgies, guess whose job it should be to pitch in and fix the problem?


Kevin Orlin Johnson, Ph.D., is the author of many books about the Catholic Church, including Why Do Catholics Do That? and Apparitions: Mystic Phenomena and What They Mean.



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To: maryz

Well, I agree that it would be a fiasco in the media, but somehow, I think that if we had a St. Athanasius clone for an archbishop, he wouldn’t worry about it! He’d look at it as a supreme “teaching moment,” absorbing the losses (hopefully temporary) of those who would side with the liturgical clowns, and bringing back *thousands* of folks who have drifted away over all of the nonsense over the years. Unfortunately, the current AB is more concerned about offending people not even under his charge than he seems to be about potentially miffing heterodox Catholics, so don’t hold your breath for “Athanasius Rides Again” appearing at a theater near you!


161 posted on 08/02/2007 11:12:18 AM PDT by magisterium
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To: jjm2111

The “toss” is the response to “Lift up your hearts.” The people in question quickly raise one or both hands, palms up, into the air over their heads and exclaim “We have LIFTED them up to the Lord!” Yay!


162 posted on 08/02/2007 11:15:29 AM PDT by magisterium
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To: dsc

We had about 10 minutes of announcements! People complained because we did them before Mass and people were trying to pray and get ready for Mass so they moved them to the end and pared them down a little.

We have a bulletin!


163 posted on 08/02/2007 12:06:56 PM PDT by tiki
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To: JustMytwocents70

Good for you!!!


164 posted on 08/02/2007 1:47:11 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: jjm2111
>>Gentle point on hand holding, hugging, etc.: Love is the most important thing. The person attempting the hug or hand holding Our Father doesn’t know canon law. Pulling away from them will confuse or bewilder them. I’m not expert, but....<<

So if love is the most important thing, why is anyone getting indignant when I don’t want to hold hands?

This is a societal thing. We don’t hold hands with those who are not our spouse, children, boyfriend/girlfriend. We don’t stand around holding hands in the grocery store. If you attend a Catholic church in Japan, they do not shake hands but do bow. If you tried to hold hands there, they would run from you.

So here, where we do not hold hands on a regular basis, why would anyone think that it’s acceptable to hold hands? If someone offers you a hand, it is your right to take it or not. If you want to offer, don’t be offended if someone doesn’t take it. If you really love someone, you will accept that Pete in the Pew next to you may not want to hold your hand. Don’t cop an attitude at the Handshake of Peace. You don’t know whether or not that person next to you was abused and can’t stand human touch or is agoraphobic and is just fighting to stay there.

165 posted on 08/02/2007 1:59:55 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: netmilsmom
So if love is the most important thing, why is anyone getting indignant when I don’t want to hold hands?

They shouldn't be, no. But many people will assume that you are not willing to hold hands because you don't like them. They will then think (incorrectly, of course) that you're mean or bigoted. We are not in Japan and you generally do not kneel or sing aloud in a grocery store either. So if you are in a church where the holding hands thing is custom, unless you have the disease, fear, etc., it may be kinder to just hold hands and then take it up with the pastor in private.

166 posted on 08/02/2007 3:02:33 PM PDT by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: jjm2111

How about if the people holding hands understand that this is an innovation that should not be done in the liturgy? The instruction to hold hands can not be found in the GIRM. It can’t be found anywhere. Innovation has NO place in our liturgy. Why are we now the “Electric Church” as Mother Angelica put it? Every time you walk in, you get a shock.

To me, it isn’t a matter of kind. That person is intruding on another’s prayer time for a “feel good”. The kindness would come in waiting until the OTHER person held out a hand for you, rather than taking offense from those folded hands.

I don’t find it to be kind to give in. I find it to be a lesson to that person. Handholding is not encouraged in ANY diocese. None. Perhaps doing it right instead of kind would be a better idea.


167 posted on 08/02/2007 3:53:25 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: jjm2111

And perhaps a good way to look at it is this.
Name one other place where you hold hands with strangers.
We kneel and pray in many places
We sing aloud in many more.

But we don’t hold hands with strangers and shouldn’t in Holy Mass.


168 posted on 08/02/2007 3:55:45 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: netmilsmom

I was standing with my hands folded, my eyes closed at today’s daily Mass and someone came up beside me and grabbed my hand. Couldn’t glare, yet, because this was my first time. But all of you talked about a print out. Did you use this articles or did you use something from the GIRM or canon law. I want to show them after Mass next time.

Sort of shook me up.


169 posted on 08/02/2007 5:10:42 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

I like this...

“May 23, 2004, 04:50 PM
Karl Keating
President, Catholic Answers Join Date: April 1, 2004
Location: San Diego
Posts: 636

Re: Holding hands at the Lord’s Prayer


In America, we shake hands with one another at the sign of peace. In Japan parishioners bow to one another. In other countries there may be other conventions.

At the sign of peace we’re saying “I’m at peace with you” or “I feel reconciled to you.” We convey that through words (”The peace of Christ be with you”) and through an action that is friendly but not intimate or intrusive (since most of those around us likely will be strangers).

This act of demonstrating reconciliation is undermined by holding hands at the Our Father. That prayer comes immediately before the sign of peace. In those parishes where people hold hands during that prayer, they are engaging in an action that is much more intimate than a handshake.

If we hold hands during the Our Father, it undercuts the significance of the following act, since holding hands trumps shaking hands. The sign of peace withers. A prescribed part of the liturgy (the sign of peace) loses much of its significance (much of its “sign value”) when parishioners hold hands at the Our Father.

(It’s good to say “I love you” to your spouse, but if you say that to everyone you meet on the street, your spouse will feel your words have been devalued.)

Another point: In our culture, hand-holding is approved of when adults hold the hands of young children, when boyfriend and girlfriend hold hands, and when married couples hold hands (though this commonly stops a few weeks after the honeymoon ).

We do not hold hands with strangers to whom we are introduced. We shake hands instead. Holding hands in such a situation would be perceived as too intimate. And in some cases, holding hands even suggests something unsavory, as when we see two men holding hands as they walk down the sidewalk.

Can anyone think of any situation, other than at the Our Father during Mass, in which people commonly hold hands with strangers? I can’t, and I think there is a reason: Hand holding is a sign of a certain intimacy. It’s not something we take lightly.

To hold hands with strangers at Mass strikes me as artificial, and it has become a detriment to a proper appreciation of the liturgy. Yes, it is easy enough to avoid, but I think it remains a problem. It is one kind of problem for those who don’t wish to hold hands, and it is another kind of problem (the problem of not understanding the role of signs in the Mass) for those who like the practice.”

But most of all, ask for documentation from your Diocese or the Vatican Encouraging Handholding. There is none.


170 posted on 08/02/2007 5:43:15 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: netmilsmom

I sometimes stay kneeling just to make it so no one will try to hold my hand. I do this because it is easier than saying no to a hand holder. At Sunday mass no one kneels except for a few rebels once in a while (including me). So you have to say no on join the group. I pland to bring some of these issues up the next time I go to confession. This lack of reverency for the liturgy makes mass uneasy, and for the wrong reasons. These issues are the last things that I should have in my thoughts during mass. Many of the problems I see are practices that were part of the non-Catholic church I use to attend before I converted, including the “toss!”


171 posted on 08/02/2007 5:59:16 PM PDT by cheme
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To: cheme

>>Many of the problems I see are practices that were part of the non-Catholic church I use to attend before I converted, including the “toss!”<<

REALLY!
When I used to state that these practices were from Protestant churches, people told me I was nuts, including my ex-Presbyterian hubby.


172 posted on 08/02/2007 6:07:39 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: netmilsmom

Really, all of them, they really are big believers of the hand hold. They like to raise thier hands as well.


173 posted on 08/02/2007 6:13:46 PM PDT by cheme
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To: cheme

Amazing!


174 posted on 08/02/2007 6:19:31 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: netmilsmom
Name one other place where you hold hands with strangers.

Protestant Church, A.A. meetings, 18th century dance re-enanctment dancing. It's not common, but it happens.

175 posted on 08/02/2007 7:28:31 PM PDT by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: LordBridey
The best way to do something about the music is to get inside and work on it there.

We entered the Catholic Church with fear and trembling, NOT over the theology but over the music. Coming from the Episcopalians, who may be screaming heretics but have impeccable taste in liturgical music, we were prepared to shoulder our cross because of course music (while important) pales in comparison with Belief.

But once we got in we got heavily involved in the choir and before we knew it the old Haugen-Haasish director had taken a job at a more "happening" parish where things other than the music were less "old fashioned", and I volunteered for the music director search committee . . . . and before we knew it we had a serious musician who believes in chant and polyphony (and he plays the organ like an angel).

With a rector like that, I think it's only a matter of time before the music takes a significant change for the better. With the aid of H.H. BXVI's splendid essay on the liturgy and music, I bet you could gather a few like-minded musical folks and persuade the rector that introducing traditionalism should include music written by Actual Catholics who Appreciate the Musical Patrimony of the Church . . . . the Chant of the Ordinary of the Mass would be nicely complemented by hymns from the Adoremus hymnal and some polyphonic motets for offertory and communion . . .

176 posted on 08/02/2007 8:21:32 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

A question for you??

Who decided to change your hymnals then? I pray for the day, but there is no way I can get involved. But I am passing your post on to someone who can. (Has a daughter who plays the organ!)


177 posted on 08/02/2007 8:28:20 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: jjm2111
Actually, in Scottish Country Dancing (which is 18th c. and borders on re-enactment because it hasn't changed since then!) we don't hold hands. Basically we do what amounts to a brief handshake as we change partners, or in a round dance everyone may join hands while circling for 4 bars . . . but it's not a static handhold. Anything longer (like the 2 1/2 times turn that the wild men throw into the "Reel of the 51st Division") we employ an elbow lock. You can actually get airborne in that one -- my husband broke a man's ankle at the Gatlinburg H.G. because he launched him into orbit (hubby is 6'6" 240# and tends to get overenthused while doing the 51st).

I would like to see something like "Strip the Willow" in church . . . not! THAT would be some 'liturgical dance'! It's like bouncing down a corridor with heavy weights tied to your arms, as G. M. Fraser remarked in The General Danced at Dawn.

178 posted on 08/02/2007 8:34:12 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: netmilsmom

This is great — thanks.


179 posted on 08/02/2007 8:34:27 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
We don't have hymnals.

The choir director selects the hymns and prints up a music sheet for each service. He pulls them from various hymnals, including Adoremus and the 1940 edition of the St. Gregory's Hymnal (the whole choir has those). He occasionally has to toss in "Weagle's Ings" or "Here I Am Lord, Here's Your Pizza" to mollify the old retired hippies in the parish, but he's trying to wean them and it seems to be working.

Until we get the hippies stabilized, there would be a lot of resistance to a traditional hymnal.

180 posted on 08/02/2007 8:37:30 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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