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To: livius
One thing frequently overlooked in discussing this is that the priest is not acting as a mediator in addition to Christ, but is acting in persona christi, that is, in the person of Christ.

Here a Christ there a Christ everywhere a christ, christ. There is NO provision for priests in the new church. The priest was a type of Christ and He became both priest and sacrifice.

Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

THE Sacrifice, the non-bloody repetition of the same sacrifice of Calvary at all times throughout history.

Hbr 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

There is no provision in scripture for an ongoing sacrifice

Hbr 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

31 posted on 06/17/2007 8:32:45 AM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: ears_to_hear; livius
It is important to look at Mt. 24 in context.

15: "So when you see the desolating sacrilege spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16: then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; 17: let him who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house; 18: and let him who is in the field not turn back to take his mantle. 19: And alas for those who are with child and for those who give suck in those days! 20: Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a sabbath. 21: For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22: And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23: Then if any one says to you, `Lo, here is the Christ!' or `There he is!' do not believe it. 24: For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25: Lo, I have told you beforehand. 26: So, if they say to you, `Lo, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out; if they say, `Lo, he is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27: For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man. 28: Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together. 29: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken; 30: then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory; 31: and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (RSV)

The rest of Chapter 24 is available here. From a plain reading, we see that these passages refer to the destruction of the temple and the Second Coming of Christ.

37 posted on 06/17/2007 9:54:26 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (Pray for your priests and seminarians...)
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To: ears_to_hear

My whole point is that there are no “new Christs” or secondary Christs or anything like that. The priest, through his ordination, becomes a participant, in persona Christi, in that one sacrifice, which is that same sacrifice still offered in the Mass. He does not become a separate Christ, just as the Mass is not a separate, smaller, if you will, emulation of Calvary.

Part of your misunderstanding is based on the fact that Protestants see ordination as a functional thing, that is, the person ordained is actually just commissioned by the community to perform a particular function, whether preaching or presiding over the symbolic gesture of a Protestant communion service, etc.

The concept of the priesthood and ordination in Catholicism is entirely different.


38 posted on 06/17/2007 10:03:29 AM PDT by livius
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