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To: ears_to_hear; livius
It is important to look at Mt. 24 in context.

15: "So when you see the desolating sacrilege spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16: then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; 17: let him who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house; 18: and let him who is in the field not turn back to take his mantle. 19: And alas for those who are with child and for those who give suck in those days! 20: Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a sabbath. 21: For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22: And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23: Then if any one says to you, `Lo, here is the Christ!' or `There he is!' do not believe it. 24: For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25: Lo, I have told you beforehand. 26: So, if they say to you, `Lo, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out; if they say, `Lo, he is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27: For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man. 28: Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together. 29: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken; 30: then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory; 31: and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (RSV)

The rest of Chapter 24 is available here. From a plain reading, we see that these passages refer to the destruction of the temple and the Second Coming of Christ.

37 posted on 06/17/2007 9:54:26 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (Pray for your priests and seminarians...)
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To: GCC Catholic

So if men call themselves christ we should believer Him? It is fine with God?

The fact is that since the resurrection of Christ we have lived in “the last days”

Your churches teaching is an abomination before God IMHO

The destruction of the 2nd temple by God destroyed the “priesthood” forever.


39 posted on 06/17/2007 10:03:56 AM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: GCC Catholic
From a plain reading, we see that these passages refer to the destruction of the temple and the Second Coming of Christ.

From a plain reading???

21: For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.

You don't think 6 million Jews alone, dying in prison camps in Europe was worse than the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.???

30: then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory;

All the tribes of the earth will see Jesus coming on the clouds??? I haven't read yet of the church Father's account of this...Surely you have some copies you could post...

31: and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (RSV)

And Jesus sent out his angels with a very big horn and in 70 A.D. it got blown, and then the angels gathered Jesus' 'elect' from one end of heaven to another???

I thought you guys were the 'elect'...What were you doing in heaven...And now you are on earth???

It pretty clear to any one that can read that Matthew 24 is not a reference to anything in 70 A.D...

So explain, how did you come to the conclusion that Matt. 24 happened in 70 A.D.???

50 posted on 06/17/2007 3:10:03 PM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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