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Hybrid embryos get go-ahead
Guardian Unlimited ^ | Thursday May 17, 2007 | David Batty

Posted on 05/18/2007 9:11:09 AM PDT by mware

Hybrid embryos get go-ahead

David Batty Thursday May 17, 2007

Guardian Unlimited

The government has overturned its proposed ban on the creation of human-animal embryos and now wants to allow them to be used to develop new treatments for incurable diseases such as Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. The proposal, in a new draft fertility bill published today, would allow scientists to create three different types of hybrid embryos.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: animal; chimeras; chimericstemcells; embryonicstemcells; humancloning; stemcells
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I am speechless.
1 posted on 05/18/2007 9:11:10 AM PDT by mware
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To: mware

Let’s hear it for our Brave New World.


2 posted on 05/18/2007 9:16:52 AM PDT by AZhardliner
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To: mware

Pray for the British Isles.

3 posted on 05/18/2007 9:18:26 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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To: mware

There was a thread yesterday. No one should be surprised who has followed research into transgenic chickens.


4 posted on 05/18/2007 9:19:45 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: RightWhale
Yes, after I posted I saw two other threads regarding these experiments.

I forwarded the article to a priest FRiend of mine who has a radio show on Sirus 159. I think he will be talking about it.

5 posted on 05/18/2007 9:22:25 AM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: mware

There should be more discussion. These genetic threads peter out quickly, while discussions of Paris Hilton go on and on. We ought to be very careful about toying with our DNA since what results won’t be ‘us’ anymore.


6 posted on 05/18/2007 9:25:49 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: RightWhale
The science fiction writer Bruce Sterling had a series of stories about a future in which humanity bifurcates -- one branch uses "bionic" enhancements to become trans-human, the other branch uses genetic modification to become trans-human. Are these OK? Which is better? What have we gained? What have we lost?

The other day there was a thread about possibly allowing athletes with hi-tech artificial limbs to participate in the olympics. And we see talk of genetic modification all the time. Do we want to enter a trans-human era? What will we gain? What will we lose?

7 posted on 05/18/2007 9:31:23 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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We ought to be aware of these things and more. What are the rights of partially human chimera? Can they vote? Would they vote R or D?


8 posted on 05/18/2007 9:34:04 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: ClearCase_guy; mware
If I recall correctly, there was a bit in A Canticle for Leibowitz that touched on this. It was part of the description of life after the nuclear war that had wiped out civilization. Monstrous creatures were roaming the earth, the product of genetic mutations caused by the radiation, but slaying them was forbidden by the Church because they were still, initially, human.

I don't have the book here so I can't look it up, sorry.

9 posted on 05/18/2007 9:41:45 AM PDT by livius
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To: AZhardliner
Let’s hear it for our Brave New World.

More like The Island of Doctor Moreau.

10 posted on 05/18/2007 9:48:27 AM PDT by Salman
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To: RightWhale
I have missed out on the transgenic chickens. Would you please recommend a source?

(Here in Alberta I would have thought "transgenic chickens" to be an epithet for Ottawa.)

11 posted on 05/18/2007 10:29:35 AM PDT by Maeve (Do you have supplies for an extended emergency? Be prepared! Pray!)
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Well, if parents have genetically-modified kids with higher abilities and intelligence, and the kids compete in the same world with the rest of us, and are at an obvious predisposition to succeed more than the rest, what can stop them, or others from following that path? Genetic domination, after all, is the name of life’s game.


12 posted on 05/18/2007 10:32:46 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Maeve

One of the genetic corporations was developing chickens that would lay eggs with human hormones in the albumin. This was probably about ten years ago. Without a doubt this kind of research will change things on the medical front in the coming century, but it is happening too slowly to actually invest and I sold my stock.


13 posted on 05/18/2007 10:33:48 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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UK to allow hybrid human-animal embryos
14 posted on 05/18/2007 10:34:59 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: RightWhale

IIRC, human insulin is manufactured in a similar manner.


15 posted on 05/18/2007 10:48:24 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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It’s pretty easy to insert a gene coding for one human protein (out of thousands) into a bacteria, which will procede to generate that protein in large quantities. It’s much more efficient than extracting the protein from animals or other humans, it’s safer (no infectious agents), and it’s an exact match, not just a reasonably close animal match.

This has been a boon to medicine, and it doesn’t seem wrong to make a bacteria that makes one human protein - bacteria pick up new genes all the time in nature.

Mrs VS


16 posted on 05/18/2007 10:59:24 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Saw a picture of a room full of engineered chicken eggs. The quantity of albumin compared to what an animal could generate in an internal organ was a selling point. Don’t know if they made a lot of sales anyway.


17 posted on 05/18/2007 11:02:22 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Yes. I’m not against it. I believe mankind is in for a major “genetic upgrade” pretty soon, if not already. Filtering human gametes for “perfection”, genetic modification, will all happen, licit, or illicit, and when it reaches critical mass, the rest will be forced to follow, or be sidelined.


18 posted on 05/18/2007 11:05:37 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: RightWhale

Messing around with a bacteria seems more respectful than messing around with a chicken - not that we haven’t produced all sorts of variations just by breeding - imagine the moral outrage of a wolf over a pug dog.

Mrs VS


19 posted on 05/18/2007 11:06:10 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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That’s funny. My neighbor walks her pug past my house every day and my dog thinks it is a rabbit and may be barked at. The concept of a rabbit on a leash is more advanced than my dog’s comprehension.


20 posted on 05/18/2007 11:10:10 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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