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To: Pyro7480
The "Coredemption" Express has certainly left the station because of the anti-Marian heresies all over the place within the Latin Church and also because of rising esteem for the promise of the Marian apparation to Ida Peerdeman that with such a declaration graces would follow that would derail an oncoming global calamity.

Perhaps with Russia increasingly up to old tricks (What? You mean we have to respect the UK's air space?)and the Holy See refusing to revisit the question of the Fatima consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, some of these folks have come to see responding to the call of the Lady of All Nations for the new dogmatic declaration as a last chance before "sudden destruction".

22 posted on 05/16/2007 8:41:45 PM PDT by Maeve (Do you have supplies for an extended emergency? Be prepared! Pray!)
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To: Maeve
The "Coredemption" Express has certainly left the station because of the anti-Marian heresies all over the place within the Latin Church and also because of rising esteem for the promise of the Marian apparation to Ida Peerdeman that with such a declaration graces would follow that would derail an oncoming global calamity.

Those kinds of reasons are far from convincing to me. I've never heard of the apparitions to Ida Peerdeman. Has the Church ruled on the validity of these apparitions? It strikes me as very unusual that Mary would ask for new and higher titles. Definitely out of keeping with the humility of the BVM throughout history. Seeking to be exalted to the level of God is the territory of a different kind of spirit, altogether.

As I said, I'll continue to pray about it.
26 posted on 05/16/2007 9:05:20 PM PDT by Antoninus (P!ss off an environmentalist wacko . . . have more kids.)
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To: Maeve; Antoninus; Pyro7480; kosta50; Kolokotronis
also because of rising esteem for the promise of the Marian apparation to Ida Peerdeman that with such a declaration graces would follow that would derail an oncoming global calamity.

If you'd really stop to think about it, you'd realize this idea is quite silly - namely that the hand of God will only be moved to our benefit by our puny actions in declaring new dogmas. I can't see how such a notion squares with the Bible.

"Behold the birds of the air, for they neither sow, nor do they reap, nor gather into barns: and your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are not you of much more value than they? ... For your Father knoweth that you have need of all these things. Seek ye therefore first the kingdom of God, and his justice, and all these things shall be added unto you." (St. Matthew 6.26, 32-33)

these folks have come to see responding to the call of the Lady of All Nations for the new dogmatic declaration as a last chance before "sudden destruction".

This is especially ridiculous. There is not a shread of evidence from the Bible that God is going to allow our destruction. This is speculative dispensationalist heresy run amok in the Catholic Church.

39 posted on 05/17/2007 6:07:45 AM PDT by Andrew Byler
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