Posted on 05/07/2007 8:58:18 AM PDT by NYer
You wrote: “The “plain words” of Jesus Christ were...
“Do this in remembrance of me.” No wizardly incantation, no magical elevation in height, transmogrifies the bread and wine into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ.”
The word is “anamnesis”. It is poorly translated as “remembrance”. Like so many other words, anamnesis, means much more than what it is translated as.
Here is a good point about anamnesis: “In Scripture, the only other time when anamnesis is used, besides the Last Supper narratives in the synoptic Gospels and in First Corinthians, is in the sacrificial context of Hebrews 10:3 :
“But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance (anamnesis) again made of sins every year.””
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a78.htm
Keep reading Hebrews 10 and you will discover what the writer of Hebrews is telling us...
From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." -- Hebrews 10:12-14"But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
"One sacrifice" for the sins of His people, not a perpetual mass of offering, over and over and over as if the first one had not taken effect.
You have been redeemed, Vlad. Rejoice. The offering was accepted by God. You have been acquitted of your sins by Christ standing in your place and taking on the punishment for every one of them.
Now there's a keeper.......
So that's all that Jesus Christ left us in the Scriptures? A riddle? A mystery to be solved by some and misunderstood by others?
Sorry. My Redeemer is far more provident and caring than that. He left us an authoritative guardian in the form of His Church, whose teaching on the true meaning of Scripture is there for any who wish to avail themsleves of it. He didn't just say "go figure".
And if the Catholic Church isn't right, then who is? You? Benny Hinn? Ken Copeland? The Methodists? The black dude in the storefront down the mall? I don't know of anybody who thinks their understanding of Scripture is incorrect. Everyone believes that their own meaning is the true one.
History has shown us clearly over the past 400 years that your recipe for understanding Scripture simply leads to a confused proliferation of customized churches. Clearly , the Bible doesn't interpret itself. That is utter nonsense.
Jesus Christ is not a God of confusion. He didn't create a dozen, two dozen or two thousand Churches. He created one. God is one and there is one Church based on one truth.
Ironically, that itself is not found in Scripture. That contradiction should concern you deeply.
-A8
You mean that you never accept prayers from anyone?? Or that you never ask anyone to pray for you??
You just read scripture??
There are Holy Scpripture references in thos Early Fathers threads also. Too bad you didn’t check it out.
You don't "get it" at all.
It is not "as if the first one had not taken effect".
It is the first one, made present to us in our time. When a Catholic goes to Mass, it is literally equivalent to being transported back in time to Calvary, because Calvary is eternally present in eternity, and so are we.
(The same is true of the Orthodox Divine Liturgy.)
And if you understood Hebrews 9 and 10, you'd see that. And if you read the fathers, you'd see that they believe it too.
Did you hear Christ, when he said to the men he commissioned, "Who hears you, hears me"? (Luke 10:16)
You wrote: “Keep reading Hebrews 10 and you will discover what the writer of Hebrews is telling us...”
And that’s the same sacrifice WE’RE talking about. What is presented on the altar at Mass IS THE SAME SACRIFICE as on Golgotha. It’s not a new sacrifice. It’s the same sacrifice.
“”One sacrifice” for the sins of His people, not a perpetual mass of offering, over and over and over as if the first one had not taken effect.”
One sacrifice offered up again just as the Bible said it would be: Malachi 1:11. “For from the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrifice, and
there is offered to my name a clean oblation: for my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of hosts.”
“You have been redeemed, Vlad. Rejoice. The offering was accepted by God. You have been acquitted of your sins by Christ standing in your place and taking on the punishment for every one of them.”
I know. That’s EXACTLY why I believe in Christ and His Eucharist.
I noticed how you completely ignored anamnesis. You didn’t know about that did you?
But that was said to the Apostles who He commissioned, and those who would go on to write scripture. And she says she didn't get her new faith from any of them.
Today there is more emphasis on "feelings", "traditions" and "emotions", than on good, objective study. Saying one has become a Catholic because the Church is based on "tradition" is kind of a silly reason in my mind.
We ought to meditate on Jesus' Name, i.e. Word of God
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. - Matt 4:4
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. - John 1:1
And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. - Revelation 19:13
Why would you think any of this surprises him?
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