This story is all over the Anglican/continuing blogs.
I am very, very glad that I am observing this horrific train wreck from a safe vantage point on a hill, rather than from inside one of the passenger cars . . . we swam the Tiber after GC 2003.
Posted on 05/04/2007 12:26:52 PM PDT by fgoodwin
The nation's first openly gay governor has become an Episcopalian and been accepted into a seminary, according to a published report.
Former Gov. James E. McGreevey, who was raised as a Roman Catholic, was officially received into the Episcopal religion on Sunday at St. Bartholomew's Church in New York, said the Rev. Kevin Bean, vicar at the church.
McGreevey has been accepted to study at the General Theological Seminary in New York, the oldest in the Episcopal Church, school spokesman Bruce Parker said Wednesday. Parker did not know whether the former governor wants to become a priest.
''Mr. McGreevey has been admitted to the master of divinity program and he will be starting in the fall,'' Parker said. ''Where Mr. McGreevey goes with this is up to him. We have a lot of people studying here who are not interested in ordination at all.'' Growing up in Middlesex County, McGreevey was an altar boy and attended Catholic schools. While in office, he continued to practice the religion, but differed from church teachings in several areas, including his support of abortion rights.
Religion has become an issue in his contentious divorce proceedings. His estranged wife, Dina Matos McGreevey, has demanded that their 5-year-old daughter not be allowed to receive communion in the Episcopal Church because she is being raised a Roman Catholic.
The issue of gay clergy has exposed divides in the worldwide Anglican Communion, which includes the Episcopal Church in the United States. Anglican leaders this year demanded the U.S. denomination step back from its support of gays or risk losing its full membership in the Anglican fellowship.
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I keep waiting for someone to say that Communion for children is not a part of Episcopal practice.
You must be confirmed in the church at a later age...and free choice.
Anyone else confused by this...it seems a non-issue which the Mother does not understand.
Did I miss something?
The story says he will study there. This is just a higher education opportunity...not a path to “PRIESTHOOD”.
I am afraid a lot is being read into this story...that is not there.
I am, however very sorry to see that the church has accepted this situation...I believe it makes the point...”follow the money”.
Is this worse than all the schools who accept foreign students at FULL tuition or Rehabs accepting money for weird reasons including privacy?
Used to be true but not any more. I'm in my 50s - when I was a kid you had to be confirmed at about age 12 or 13 before you could receive. Before that age, you left church after the sermon (the "Mass of the Catechumens" in Catholic parlance) to go to Sunday School.
But sometime between then and when my daughter was about six (she's 18 now) the church changed to the Catholic practice of First Communion at about age 6 or 7, long before Confirmation. They had a "First Communicants Class" and then received like everybody else.
So this is most definitely an issue, and if the XGuv is running true to form and being a treacherous hound, the mom is right to worry.
This story is all over the Anglican/continuing blogs.
I am very, very glad that I am observing this horrific train wreck from a safe vantage point on a hill, rather than from inside one of the passenger cars . . . we swam the Tiber after GC 2003.
I guess you have more facts than I do from this reading.
Did Gore ever plan to be a priest when in Seminary? I think not.
I was high church and am over 70...thought it was still the same.
Can “just anyone” take communion today? Not unless confirmed in the church before.
Cannon Cowdery was always making people mad in the “old days” when he refused them at the rail.
I read about the craziness now and see why I “drifted away”.
Maybe the XGuv will do the same thing and solve the problem himself.
Any baptized Christian can receive in ECUSA. We moved from a very "high" church to a moderately "high" church in the 80s -- and so far as I recall this was the practice even then at our new church. Some ECUSA churches now allow "open communion" - anybody who wants to can receive, I guess Buddhists and pagans qualify now.
If you're very "high", have you looked into the Catholic church? Theologically there is actually very little difference, other than acknowledging that there was a problem with Anglican Orders around the time of Edward VI . . . . Apostolicae Curae always did bother me a little, I thought Canterbury and York's response in Sapius Officio was weak. There's a great book by an Englishman, Canon Francis Ripley, addressed specifically to Anglicans/Episcopalians. And of course Cardinal Newman's wonderful autobiography.
We have been extremely happy in our new parish. You do have to be a little careful, because there are some loons left over from the 60s and 70s still running some Catholic parishes out there, but ours is a reverent and traditional church (and the music is surprisingly good!)
Thanks for the information.
No, the Catholic church would not be an answer for me. I thought there were very many other differences in beliefs, even if the traditions were similar.
I guess I will go on as I have for many years.
I often feel the Republican party has left me behind too! LOL
Now I lay me down to sleep...night-night.
Just wait and watch. This guy is going to re-enter politics with his newly purchased moral authority.
He had to pick between the unitarians and the episcopalians. He chose the episcopalians because there are more potential voters, AND he might fool some real christians into voting for him.
May I ask what religion you are? I'm guessing not any Christian denomination or you wouldn't have been quite so cavalier about your response.
No, God certainly has NOT changed.....Henry VIII changed the religion from Catholic to Anglican/Episcopalian because he wanted a divorce, and it has gone “Lighter” ever since.
You ARE kidding, right?
Yeah, feeling snarky tonight, so I left off the /sarcasm.
Mrs VS
Thank God!!! Thought ANOTHER Freeper went braindead....glad to see you didn’t!! :)
What specific differences in belief do you think exist? When we converted I only found two -- the validity of Anglican orders and the supremacy of the Pope. I didn't have any problem with either one, because as to No. 1 the goings on in the ECUSA plainly demonstrate that they don't have God's blessing on their shenanigans and thus probably their orders are invalid . . . and as for No. 2 the ECUSA would be doing much better if it had Adult Leadership and the ABC could deliver a smackdown to Vicki Gene, KJSchori, and all the rest. . . .
If you're "high", you've been ignoring the XXXIX Articles for years. Unless you're high in ritual only, in which case I guess you're really "broad church".
Seriously, you might want to look into it. There's a big difference between what everybody THINKS the Catholic Church believes, and what its doctrine actually IS. People have got some serious misconceptions going on. And some of the worst offenders are Episcopalians.
The XXIX Articles (the charter I guess you would say of the Anglican church) are very anti-Catholic (Edward VI again, or at least his radical Protestant advisers, Edward was really too young to have any say in things, he died at age 14 or 15), but the high churchers have been studiously ignoring them ever since the days of the Oxford Movement and the Tractarians. I certainly did!
Here is a link to resources including Traditional Anglican churches:
Resource for Traditional Anglicans: http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com
Here is a link to resources including Traditional Anglican churches:
Resource for Traditional Anglicans: http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com
Understood. I was seeking clarity regarding at what age the child would be expected to understand the sin and to act independently of McGreevy’s direction.
Not true.
I think around age seven, is that right, guys?
A five year old child will not be penalized, so to speak, for disobeying her "parent".
But if McGreevy is deliberately using her as a pawn to get back at his wife, and undermining the child's Catholic education to do so, he might want to consider the possibility that he may be fitted for a millstone by St. Peter . . . Matthew 18:6/Mark 9:42/Luke 17:2
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