Posted on 04/02/2007 8:40:21 AM PDT by topcat54
Conclusion
Although the pretribulation rapture theory is very popular today, given arguments that are offered in support of this doctrine we must declare Pretribulationalism to be contrary to the clear teachings of Scripture. Simply put, there is not one shred of evidence that can be found in the Bible to support the pretribulation rapture. The typical Pretribulational arguments offered reveal a pattern: of imposing one’s presuppositions onto a text without any exegetical justification whatsoever; of finding subtle meaning between words and/or phrases that were never intended by the author; of spiritualizing or ignoring passages that contradict the Pretribulational paradigm; and, of imposing Pretribulationalism upon passages that actually teach the unity of the eschatological complex (i.e., the rapture, second coming, general resurrection, and general judgment all occur on the same day—the day of the Lord). It is our hope and prayer that professing Christians would cast off this escapist fantasy and return to the task of personal sanctification and godly dominion.
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I have withdrawn from this thread, Lee and shall have no further comments.
The John 6:66 refers to the Gospel of John read it from about 6:60 to 6:66. Is it not rather coincidental that the verse is 666 and the book was written prior to Revelations where the number of the man is 666.
I'm not even going to look it up. You do know, don't you, that the chapter and verse divisions were added later, and are not part of the original inspired text?
So Christ's feet are figuratively on the Mount of Olives? Does that include the other figurative rest of his body? Did his figurative elbows wake those "giggling oaks of Bashan" that Enosh mentioned?
The carnal-minded Jews of Jesus' day had much the same attitude -- looking for carnal throne in a carnal city and a carnal king -- and they missed the blessings of the kingdom.
John, STAY in character!!!
Remember, you are not one of those "wacked-out" "dispys." You earned your way on to the ping list for being a sober TULIP guy. Now, you are tossing out this contrived gibberish that makes us think you've had a personality split.
I know that the numbering of verses came later but here is John 6:60-66 any way.
John 6:60-66
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
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Boy, that is really believable. And you are on topcat’s ping list. Imagine that. How many fakes are there?
I put anyone on the list who asks. There’s enough truth to go around. Wanna join?
Sounds like Bible babble to me.
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”
Let me contrive a new alias.
Mnnnn . . . How about
. . . "Dr. Edinbirgh"? . . . or . . . ."LotsaEducatedFolks"? . . .or "Daniel9=JesusComesTomorrow?"
Whatever my new contrived personality is, I have to stay in character.
Zech,
I agree with you on Scriptural issues more than cat or the Doc, but you’re going overboard.
Take it easy.
Thanks, Enosh. A word from the wise is always welcome. I’m outta here.
But topcat, you teach in #457 that the Rapture already occured and the great Tribulation has already taken place. How can we appeal to the Spirit when the Restrainer has been taken away by the end of the Great Tribulation?
I asked to be on the endtimes ping list. I am on others list too. I'm on the Israel list does that make me of mid east decent?
I'm on the neener list too and that does make me a neener!!!!!!!!
This is freerepublic at one time it was a conservative site not to say that all here are conservatives.
What is your point? Discuss the topic and not the person. That is the rules I do believe.
Don't like the rules don't post.
No I don't. Read it again.
BTW, still waiting for a response on #445 and 446.
You know nothing about me do a search on what I have written and will see that I am anything but a Tulip guy
Is it over?
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