Posted on 03/24/2007 3:10:20 PM PDT by NYer
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Well, if the mass were late enough it would be AFTER the sabbath.
I recommend that you read the whole chapter. YHvH is displeased with those who use ritual and tradition,This is taken totally out of context.
b'shem Yah'shua
but without love and obedience.
The next verse in Greek: [Acts 20:7] εν δε τη μια των σαββατων συνηγμενων των μαθητων του κλασαι αρτον ο παυλος διελεγετο αυτοις μελλων εξιεναι τη επαυριον παρετεινεν τε τον λογον μεχρι μεσονυκτιου
There is no Greek word for Sabbath, hence the translation from Hebrew speakers into Greek in this case is "Sabbatwn", the sixth Greek word in the above paragraph. Most English translations of [Acts 20:7] say something like this: And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. If you'll look at your Bibles you'll see that the word "day" is italicized....meaning that it is added.
The proper translation for this scripture is: And on the first of the Sabbaths...................... The first of the Sabbaths means just that...the first. What Paul is speaking of here is the first weekly Sabbath between Passover and Pentecost. The Jews numbered seven of them [Leviticus 23:15] and Paul, having just celebrated Passover (verse 6), is again meeting on the weekly Sabbath, also the first Sabbath in the count of the "Omer" to Pentecost. That's why the translation gives it a plural (Sabbatwn). It is both the weekly Sabbath and the first Sabbath between the two major Holydays which Paul and his companions obviously observe. We know this is the proper interval because in [Acts 20:16] Paul tells us he was in a hurry to reach Jerusalem by Pentecost.
In every Greek translation dealing with the resurrection you will find this word Sabbatwn....meaning a special Sabbath between Passover and Pentecost. If the meaning were the first day of the week, the Greek "hemera"(day) would be included. Here is the literal translation from [Matthew 28:1]. Same time period, different situation...actual resurrection. And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre. You can see the plurality of the word "Sabbatwn" meaning "Sabbaths". The eve of the Sabbaths means between the evenings, and you find that terminology in [Exodus 12:6] 'And it hath become a charge to you, until the fourteenth day of this month, and the whole assembly of the company of Israel have slaughtered it between the evenings....speaking of the Passover lamb.
I have no idea how people can be so ignorant of simple Biblical truth...and then when presented with it, just cast it off like so much garbage.....as I'm sure we'll hear soon.
Just an FYI, the SDA does not deny that people met on Sunday, or that at some point people decided to swap Sunday for the Sabbath. They teach that it was an error, but to deny it happened would be silly.
LOL -my brother has been brainwashed by the SDA -I constantly tell him that a religion that justifies itself by calling others "silly" is by default a false religion...
I don't get your post. Was there a point?
A wonderful reminder of who Christians are.
thanks
Is there a verse that requires weekly church attendance by the faithful, Saturday or Sunday or any other day?
Read Colossians. If you obey the law you have to obey the whole law.
Besides, Gentiles were never required to convert or become law abiders. The 10 Commandments were definately given to Isreal and not to the Gentiles.
***Just an FYI, the SDA does not deny that people met on Sunday, or that at some point people decided to swap Sunday for the Sabbath. They teach that it was an error, but to deny it happened would be silly.****
Sunday an error? They used to preach that worshiping on sunday was the MARK OF THE BEAST, even calling it the Day of the Devil many many years ago.
For later.
I am in Seattle with my darling nieces, but will check this out when I get back to Iowa!
Yes - The Ten Commandments, specifically: Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day
The Ten Commandments are precepts bearing on the fundamental obligations of religion and morality and embodying the revealed expression of the Creator's will in relation to man's whole duty to God and to his fellow-creatures. They are found twice recorded in the Pentateuch, in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5, but are given in an abridged form in the catechisms. Written by the finger of God on two tables of stone, this Divine code was received from the Almighty by Moses amid the thunders of Mount Sinai, and by him made the ground-work of the Mosaic Law. Christ resumed these Commandments in the double precept of charity--love of God and of the neighbour; He proclaimed them as binding under the New Law in Matthew 19 and in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5). He also simplified or interpreted them, e.g. by declaring unnecessary oaths equally unlawful with false, by condemning hatred and calumny as well as murder, by enjoining even love of enemies, and by condemning indulgence of evil desires as fraught with the same malice as adultery (Matthew 5). The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day. The Council of Trent (Sess. VI, can. xix) condemns those who deny that the Ten Commandments are binding on Christians.
The new covenant was also given to Israel and Judah, not the gentiles:
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, He says, "BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL EFFECT A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH;
Heb 8:9 NOT LIKE THE COVENANT WHICH I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS ON THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; FOR THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DID NOT CARE FOR THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 "FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND I WILL WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS. AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Biblically the new covenant is only for the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
Would you advance the argument that gentiles aren't under the new covenant? Or do you suppose there's something that includes gentiles in the new covenant? And that somehow the ten commandments carried forth into the new covenant?
Which translation uses this terminology? The DRB says:
Exodus 20:8: Remember that thou keep holy the sabbath day.
Deuteronomy 5:14: The seventh is the day of the sabbath, that is, the rest of the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not do any work therein, thou nor thy son nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant nor thy maidservant, nor thy ox, nor thy ass, nor any of thy beasts, nor the stranger that is within thy gates: that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest, even as thyself.
Right. Doesn't mention how we are to keep the day holy, does it? Doesn't say much about going to church.
In the church of the Body of Christ there is no Jew nor Gentile.
Paul established that the Gentile believers need not convert of Judaism, nor do the have to follow the customs of the Jews.
So that is right, I said that the 10 commandments are not part of Christian doctrine. They were given to Moses and the children of Isreal, not to the Church of the Body.
Obeying the law for righteousness obligates one to follow the whole law.
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