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Early Church Fathers - Worship on Sabbath or Sunday
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Posted on 03/24/2007 3:10:20 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 03/24/2007 3:10:23 PM PDT by NYer
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Scriptural Basis


Isaiah 1:13 - God begins to reveal His displeasure with the Sabbath.

Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus' resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church.

Acts 20:7 - this text shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the "first day of the week." Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship.

1 Cor. 16:2 - Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches "on the first day of the week," which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday.

Col. 2:16-17 - Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says "let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath."

2 Thess. 2:15 - we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

Heb. 4:8-9 - regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of "another day," which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord's resurrection, which was on Sunday.

Heb. 7:12 - when there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday.

Rev 1:10 - John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord's day, the new day of rest in Christ.

Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday.

2 posted on 03/24/2007 3:12:53 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

I usually go to church Sunday evening at 5:00. That's when there are the most seats available at our very crowded parish!


3 posted on 03/24/2007 3:24:13 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("I have noticed that nothing I never said ever did me any harm." ~ Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Tax-chick

"I usually go to church Sunday evening at 5:00. That's when there are the most seats available at our very crowded parish!"

Well, that's certainly better than 5:00 pm on Saturday! After the Vatican II change to the vernacular, Dad used to call people who went to that Mass "Episcopalian Jews". :)


4 posted on 03/24/2007 3:30:12 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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5 posted on 03/24/2007 3:32:17 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Our 5:00 p.m. Saturday Mass is packed, plus we often have people at camp on Saturdays. (Tonight, Der Prinz and the little girls are at the Catholic Scouting whoop-up, having Mass with the Bishop.)

I actually like a Sunday morning service best, no later than 9:00 p.m., but there's not room for us unless we get there so early that the kids are impossible.


6 posted on 03/24/2007 3:33:39 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("I have noticed that nothing I never said ever did me any harm." ~ Calvin Coolidge)
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To: NYer

Liturgically, Sunday begins with 1st Vespers of Sunday i.e.
Saturday evening and ends with 2nd Vespers on Sunday. In
recent years this has been the primary reason for allowing
the Sunday Eucharist to be celebrated the evening before. Personally, I am opposed to a Saturday night Mass that satisfies the Sunday obligation but do know it is licit.

Our Holy Father said this in paragraph 73 of the recently
published Postsynodal Exhortation "Sacramentum Caritatis":
"....While recognizing that Saturday evening, beginning with First Vespers, is already a part of Sunday and a time when the Sunday obligation can be fulfilled -- we need to remember that it is Sunday itself that is meant to be kept holy, lest it end up as a day 'empty of God."


7 posted on 03/24/2007 3:36:46 PM PDT by Renatus
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To: NYer

This all reminds me of the teaching: when we speak of the Lord's "hour", it means His suffering; when we speak of the Lord's "day" it means His victory. Scripturally, hour indicates darkness or pain and day indicates victory or completeness.

Thus, the "Lord's Day" is victory--Resurrection from pain to glory.


8 posted on 03/24/2007 3:41:36 PM PDT by Running On Empty
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To: Wings-n-Wind

Ping= LATER


9 posted on 03/24/2007 3:44:53 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The answers remain available; Wisdom is obtained by asking all the right questions!)
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Contrary to the teaching of Seventh Day Adventists ....

Finding flaws in that set of teachings is like shooting fish in a barrel.
10 posted on 03/24/2007 3:47:45 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: NYer; Kolokotronis

Personally, I tend to think about God and worship Him every single day, regardless of what the calendar says.

However, a two day weekend is nifty. ;)


11 posted on 03/24/2007 3:51:39 PM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: Kolokotronis; Tax-chick
Well, that's certainly better than 5:00 pm on Saturday! After the Vatican II change to the vernacular, Dad used to call people who went to that Mass "Episcopalian Jews". :)

The premise behind offering Mass on Saturday at 5pm was to accommodate those who work in the service industries - doctors, nurses, pilots, stewardesses, et al - whose jobs prevent them from attending liturgy on Sunday. It was never intended to replace Sunday worship. A natural outgrowth of this Saturday Mass has been the increase in attendance of other workers who wish to sleep in on Sunday morning. None of the above deserve to be labeled as "Episcopalian Jews".

12 posted on 03/24/2007 3:56:16 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Renatus
Liturgically, Sunday begins with 1st Vespers of Sunday

I hope you were up bright and early this morning, like me, and watched EWTN's repeat coverage of the Consecration and Dedication of the Oratory. This was followed by a replay of Matins from earlier this week. Following these broadcasts, I immersed myself in the Safro (Morning) prayers of the Maronite Divine Office. I can't imagine beginning a day without those prayers!

13 posted on 03/24/2007 4:00:57 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

"None of the above deserve to be labeled as "Episcopalian Jews"."

Too late. I'd pass on your comment, but Dad's been gone 7 years, NYer. In any event, what do you expect from an old Irishman who could recite the ENTIRE MASS in Latin from memory until the day he died! :)


14 posted on 03/24/2007 4:03:29 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: NYer

I am bummed you protected this thread.


15 posted on 03/24/2007 4:11:34 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: Kolokotronis
In any event, what do you expect from an old Irishman who could recite the ENTIRE MASS in Latin from memory until the day he died! :)

Sorry about the loss of your Dad! Judging from your comments, he's probably "up there" with my grandfather, singing "When Iriish Eyes are Smiling", both engaged in a discussion of the modern day Mass. My grandfather has no doubt convinced your Dad that these changes are the result of "those rockets they keep shooting up there". :-)

16 posted on 03/24/2007 4:13:21 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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Isn't it poor form to dog another denomination on a protected thread?

Contrary to the teaching of Seventh Day Adventists

"The (Catholic) Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her Founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant, claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh Day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant." "The Question Box," The Catholic Universe Bulletin, 69 (August 14, 1942), 4.

17 posted on 03/24/2007 4:19:46 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: NYer

I have a friend who is a Seventh Day Adventis. She says they follow Jewish Laws including the dietary laws.


18 posted on 03/24/2007 4:20:50 PM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: NYer
The premise behind offering Mass on Saturday at 5pm was to accommodate those who work in the service industries - doctors, nurses, pilots, stewardesses, et al - whose jobs prevent them from attending liturgy on Sunday. It was never intended to replace Sunday worship.

I don't like going to Mass on Saturday unless you absolutely positively will be traveling or something.

The average age at my previous Parish for the 5:00 PM Mass on Saturday was about 78. It was largely an oldsters "klatch" at which hearing-impaired elderly began to gather as early as 4:20 PM and then spoke about 50 decibels too loud about their various "procedures" up to the very moment Mass physically began (they knew because the priest coughed loudly into his microphone!). They then left early to go to the local diner where the conversations continued.

I left and found my new home 5 years ago. Sunday Mass at 10:00 is so quiet you can hear a pin drop. Nobody would think of speaking aloud unless it was to tell an usher the Church was on fire and that would be done in a hushed whisper.

19 posted on 03/24/2007 4:30:56 PM PDT by Frank Sheed ("Shakespeare the Papist" by Fr. Peter Milward, S.J.)
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**The average age at my previous Parish for the 5:00 PM Mass on Saturday was about 78. It was largely an oldsters "klatch" at which hearing-impaired elderly began to gather as early as 4:20 PM and then spoke about 50 decibels too loud**

Amazing. Although we do have some of the older parishioners, this Mass is basically a family Mass at our church. Some even come back for the 10:30 Mass Sunday morning!

We handled the extra chatting by starting a half hour early with a Rosary -- quiets the oldies down considerably -- and they don't start talking again! WooHoo!


20 posted on 03/24/2007 4:36:45 PM PDT by Salvation (" With God all things are possible. ")
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