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The Papacy and Islam
Berean Beacon ^ | Richard Bennett and Robert J. Nicholson

Posted on 02/20/2007 9:11:13 AM PST by Gamecock

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This Thread Is Offered As A Companion Thread To Islam, Protestantism and Divergence from Catholicism

The Papacy and Islam

by Richard Bennett and Robert J. Nicholson

New Partnership with Muslims

In his message to the predominately Muslim nation of Kazakhstan twelve days after the horrors of September 11 th , 2001, the Pope declared,

"'There is one God'. The Apostle proclaims before all else the absolute oneness of God. This is a truth which Christians inherited from the children of Israel and which they share with Muslims: it is faith in the one God, 'Lord of heaven and earth' (Lk.10:21), almighty and merciful. In the name of this one God, I turn to the people of deep and ancient religious traditions, the people of Kazakhstan. " [1]

He then gave a false Gospel. Building a "civilization of love", he said, is the task of Christians and Muslims . His exact words were,

"This 'logic of love' is what he [Jesus] holds out to us, asking us to live it above all through generosity to those in need. It is a logic which can bring together Christians and Muslims, and commit them to work together for the 'civilization of love'. It is a logic which overcomes all the cunning of this world and allows us to make true friends who will welcome us 'into the eternal dwelling-places' (Lk.16:9), into the 'homeland' of heaven." [2]

His final prayer was for a partnership between "Christians and Muslims". His words were,

"And in this celebration we want to pray for Kazakhstan and its inhabitants, so that this vast nation, with all its ethnic, cultural and religious variety, will grow stronger in justice, solidarity and peace. May it progress on the basis in particular of cooperation between Christians and Muslims, committed day by day, side by side, in the effort to fulfil God's will." [3]

In spite of the catastrophic events of September 11 th , the Pope has continued faithfully the Roman Catholic Church policy of affirmation and approval of Islam. The Vatican speaks officially of the Roman Catholic Church having the same God and faith of Abraham as the Muslims,

" The Church's relationship with the Muslims. 'The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.'" [4]

The Roman Catholic Church officially declares that the One God of Holy Scripture is also the God of Islam. It also esteems the moral life of Islam, the affirmation of which follows,

"The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has also spoken to men. They strive to submit themselves without reserve to the hidden decrees of God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God's plan, whose faith Muslims eagerly link to their own. Although not acknowledging him as God, they venerate Jesus as a prophet, his virgin Mother they also honor, and even at times devotedly invoke. Further, they await the day of judgment and the reward of God following the resurrection of the dead. For this reason they highly esteem an upright life and worship God, especially by way of prayer, alms-deeds and fasting." [5]

It is clear from this official recognition that the Church of Rome's estimation of Islam has experienced a fundamental change. The Biblical commandment not to venerate any strange god has been broken by Rome in order to credit Islam and its adherents with holding to the faith of Abraham. Patently, this novel re-assessment of the Muslim faith represents a major shift in the political policy of the Vatican. These official statements are carefully constructed religious discourse. They are aimed at engendering a new mood of respectful rapprochement and mutual understanding between the Papacy and Islam. As a device of diplomatic exchange, they show clearly that a new interfaith-ecumenicity is being propounded by Rome with the singular objective of embracing Islam and its peoples within a new international community of religious life and faith, a community incidentally, in which Rome enjoys priority as founder and senior partner.

Islam rejects Trinity, Christ's divinity, His sacrifice

Christians believe in One God, in which One Godhead there exists Three Persons. Islam rejects this concept as blasphemous. The Qur'an declares,

"Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve"(Surah 5:73) [6] .

The Bible proclaims Christ' s sacrificial death on the cross in place of the believer, "In Whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace. " [7] Islam passionately rejects the crucifixion of Christ Jesus . Thus the Qur'an declares,

"And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure" (Surah 4:157).

The Bible proclaims Christ Jesus as divine, being the brightness of the divine glory, and the express image of God. In the Qur'an Christ Jesus is debased to being solely an apostle of Allah. Thus the Qur'an states, "O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah…" (Surah 4.171) Christ Jesus declared, "Before Abraham was, I am ." [8] " I and my Father are one." [9] "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." [10] A religion that rejects Christ's d ivinity is dead in its sins. It is an absurd blasphemy that the Pope declares that the one, living and subsistent God of the Bible is the same one as the infidel god of Islam.

The Gospel and the Qur'an's religious philosophy

In the Bible the Gospel is as the Apostle John declared, "This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." [11] "And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent." [12] The whole purpose of the God of Scripture is clearly seen in the reason why the Gospel of John was written, " These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." This is totally different from the god of Islam who orders fighting, war, and punishment, by murder, crucifixion and amputation. The following is just a sample of the primary concept of fighting for Allah that the Qur'an requires:

"And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers." Surah 2.191

"And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors." Surah 2.193

"…let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward." Surah 4.74

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement," Surah 5.33

"Those who believe fight in the way of Allah,…" Surah 8.39

The commandment of the Lord is as different as darkness and light, for He says , "Love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful." [13] While many individual Muslims may deplore atrocities committed in the name of Islam, it cannot be denied that these atrocities are justified and encouraged by Islamic teaching. Even the most moderate form of Islam is incompatible with Biblical truth.

Roman Catholic dogma on Islam changed

Nonetheless, after six centuries of condemning of Islam and two centuries of Crusades against the Muslims, modern Roman Catholicism is welcoming and affirming the religion of Mohammed. Rome now accepts Islam as having the same faith of Abraham as herself. How can the Roman Catholic Church espouse a religion that utterly rejects the Trinity, the divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ and His Gospel? Clearly, the Roman Catholic Church still plays the adaptable chameleon ¾ for since Vatican Council II, she has in Muslim circles embraced Islam to the extent that she calls praiseworthy that which she once had denounced as evil and the object of war.

In 1095, Pope Urban II called for a "War of the Cross," or a Crusade, to retake the holy lands from the infidel Muslim Turks. Several versions of his speech at the end of a Church Council have survived. Although we cannot be sure of the exact words the Pope used, the substance however is the same. The heart and mind of papal power in twelfth and thirteenth centuries is seen in these sentences, "All who die by the way, whether by land or by sea, or in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins. This I grant them through the power of God with which I am invested." [14]

The present Pope and his Church uphold the teaching that the definitions of all Roman Pontiffs pertaining to faith or morals of the Roman Pontiff are "irreformable by their very nature." [15] If the present Roman Pontiff, John Paul II, has proclaimed Muslims to be acceptable as believers, then by that same proclamation, Urban II and the whole line of Crusading Popes have been proven to be damnable heretics, since they condemned Muslims and fought against them!

Emotional unity and its consequences

The ecumenism of the Papacy with Islam is of grave concern for the true body of Christ to consider. The Sovereign Pontiff John Paul II sees himself as the one capable of bringing in a New World Order, in which Rome will be the Mother and Lawmaker. Through his Vatican II documents the Pope declares, "The encouragement of unity is in harmony with the deepest nature of the [Roman Catholic] Church's mission…." [16] On an highly emotional spiritual level there has been a great common-ground meeting place between Rome and Mecca in the town of Fatima in Portugal. To quote a Catholic news organization, " Our Lady of Fatima is really Fatima, daughter of the Prophet Mohammed…On October 23, 1995, Iranian television began running stories that the apparitions in Fatima, Portugal in 1917 were religious phenomena of Muslim origin." [17] Islam teaches that men can achieve favor with God by what a person does. On the Fatima site in Portugal May 13 th 2000, the Pope proclaimed a message that could be readily accepted by both Muslims and Catholics. "'Pray, pray much and make sacrifices for sinners; many souls go to hell because they have no one to pray and make sacrifices for them' ... ." [18] Heroic deeds to win the approval of God appeal to the natural man, including the devout Muslim; it is, however, light years away from the Gospel of grace. The Pope's message, and the message and veneration of heroism in Islam are a total negation of the Gospel, " not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us.. .." [19] In practice both systems ¾ a mammoth one billion adherents each ¾ are totalitarian, synthesizing spiritual and civil power in their doctrinal presentations and cultic practices. The global hierarchy and infrastructure of the RCC, however, is far more developed than that of Islam. [20] The bringing together of both under the Roman Pontiff, who calls himself the Vicar of Christ, would make for a political powerhouse of vast consequences.

Pope's message echoed Muslim Leaders

The drawing of governments and religions even more closely into a global coalition before a politically constructed god has already begun. Rome has many times show n herself as the one to whom all can come for unity within her. Islam as such is still accepted as a valid religion, and the terrorists of September understood to be fallen from their religion, rather than upholding its teachings. The Muslims themselves are giving the same message. For example, the Associated Press reported,

"An international Muslim religious ruling endorsed the morality of the U.S.-led military effort against terrorists…The ruling…was written by Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the widely respected chairman of the Sunna and Sira Council in Qatar, along with three colleagues in Egypt and one in Syria. The new fatwa cited the words of God in the Quran and authoritative Hadith…'All Muslims ought to be united against all those who terrorize the innocents, and those who permit the killing of non-combatants without a justifiable reason,' the fatwa said…The five jurists also said Muslims have a duty to speak up about the faith's anti-terrorism stand." [21]

This spin on Islam is perfectly in line with what Pope and the Vatican declared, "together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day." [22] It looks as if the Pope, the politicians, and the Muslims continue to conceal successfully the history of Mohammed and the contents of his Qur'an.

A Trumpet Call to the True Church

The Pope's profession of a 'civilization of love' in his rapprochement with Islam represents only another tactical re-appraisal of circumstances and opportunities for Rome. It is merely the old idol of humanistic sentiment religiously recycled and held out to the world as the cohesive force that will unite all sincere religious people in a concordat of international condemnation against the kind of anti-social fanaticism that led to the September 11th horror. The profound danger for Evangelical people is that they, unthinking, might come to embrace Rome's claim to be the true spokesman for Christ on this earth, a lie which is deeply embedded in this new thrust for inter-faith ecumenicity. The Pope is not a first among equals as a bishop. Frankly, he is not even a bishop in the biblical sense of the term. Karol Wojtyla is the head of a totalitarian hierarchy. Its position as the restored Holy Roman Empire is depicted in the Bible. He is an absolute monarch. He has his own secular government of Vatican City and more property worldwide than any other person on the planet. He has territorial dominions, cardinals, ambassadors worldwide, a detective force, legislature, jurisprudence, laws, advocates, taxes, banks, foreign treaties, ambitious plans and policy, more than any other secular Prince. But he differs from other secular leaders: his spiritual commerce goes hand in hand with his civil power, claiming infallibility and international recognition. The Pope in his own laws declares, "There is neither appeal nor recourse against a decision or decree of the Roman Pontiff." His arrogance is not just in spiritual matters, but in secular affairs also, for he claims supreme power as much as any totalitarian ruler, "The First See is judged by no one." [23] "It is solely the right of the Roman Pontiff himself o judge…those who hold the highest civil office in a state..." [24] This Pope desires partnership with Islam. His claims echo II Thessalonians 2:4, "W ho opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God " and Isaiah 14:14, "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like most High. " Had not Holy Scripture warned us of this we would rightly be afraid. The Sovereign God remains sovereign . His purposes may be the purification of the Bride of Christ Jesus, the remnant pilgrim Church on earth. The Lord Jesus Christ did not elect the Pope as His Vicar on earth; rather He and the Father gave to the Holy Spirit of Truth to that position.

If contemporary Evangelical leaders and their disciples discount and ignore these utterly basic prophetic and historical facts, they must understand they are placing themselves outside the stream of historic biblical Christianity. They are willingly divorcing themselves from great men of the faith ¾ Wycliff, Huss, Luther, Tyndale, Calvin, Cranmer, Latimer, Ridley, Bradford, Foxe, Bunyan, Newton, Edwards, Whitefield, Wesley, Spurgeon, Ryle, and Lloyd-Jones to mention just a few. It is impossible to hold to the Gospel of Christ and simultaneously accord any legitimacy to the accommodations of the papal system. The Lord of Glory Himself will not allow such behavior to go unpunished. If Evangelicals to continue to fraternize with Rome, it will mark a major, irrevocable betrayal of the Gospel testimony toward the poor deluded adherents of Romanism and leave them languishing in the claws of the devil. In other words, in simple terms of loyalty to the Lord Jesus Christ, those claiming to be believers must " Come out of her…that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." [25] There is no common ground between the religion of apostasy and the Gospel of the Apostles. In spite of papal declarations of a truce and vacuous "Evangelical" alliances with the enemies of Christ, "Enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed," Genesis 3:1, is an epitomized history of conflict which, from the moment of the Fall, has been waged between the children of light and of darkness, between those who adhere to the Gospel of grace and God's righteousness, and those who are ranged on the side of the Devil by their love of accommodation and compromise. At this moment of history the Ecumenism of accommodation, with the Pope leading the pack, accepts Islam as a great religion. The true believer must decide where he or she stands. " And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve." [26] ¨

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Endnotes:

[1] Homily of the Pope, in Astana, Kazakhstan, on Sunday, 23 September 2001. Accessed 9/28/2001.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/
homilies/2001/documents/hf_jpii_hom_20010923_kazakhstan_astana_en.html

[2] Ibid.

[3] Ibid.

[4] Catechism of the Catholic Church , (San Francisco, CA: Ignatius Press, 1994) Para. 841 Hereafter Catechism

[5] Vatican Council II: The Conciliar and Post Conciliar Documents, No. 56, Nostra Aetate , Austin P. Flannery, ed. (Grand Rapids, MI: Wm B Eerdsmans Publ. Co., 1975 & 1984) Vol. I., pp. 739-740. Hereafter Vatican II .

[6] All quotes from the Koran are from this site: http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

[7] Ephesians 1:7

[8] John 8:58

[9] John 10:30

[10] John 8:24

[11] 1 John 1:5

[12] John 17:3

[13] Luke 6:35-36

[14] Bongars, Gesta Dei per Francos, 1, pp. 382 f., in A Source Book for Medieval History, Oliver J. Thatcher and Edgar Holmes McNeal, eds. (New York: Scribners, 1905).

[15] Vatican II, No. 28, Lumen Gentium , Vol. I., p. 380.

[16] Vatican II, No. 64, Gaudium et Spes , Vol. I, Sec. 42, p. 942.

[17] www.zenit.org/english/asia/za980513.html Accessed 11/1/2001

[18] www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_p.../hf_jp-ii_hom_20000513_beatification-fatima_en.htm accessed 6/1/00.

[19] Titus 3:5.

[20] For a brief overview of the Islamic position, see Yossef Bodansky, Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War on America (Roseville, CA: Prima Publ, Forum, 1999, 2001) Introduction, pp. x-xv. For a study of RCC infrastructure, see 2001Catholic Almanac (Huntington, IN: Our Sunday Visitor Publ., 2000) Part III: The Church Universal.

[21] http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011012/ts/attacks_fatwa_1.html Associated Press, Saturday October 13, 2001.

[22] Catechism of the Catholic Church, Para. 841.

[23] Code of Canon Law , Latin-Eng. ed. (Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 1989) Can. 1404. All canons taken from this work.

[24] Can. 1405.

[25] Revelation 18:4.

[26] Josh 24:15

 



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1 posted on 02/20/2007 9:11:17 AM PST by Gamecock
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2 posted on 02/20/2007 9:14:52 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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I think islam is better refuted through the Old Testament.


3 posted on 02/20/2007 9:18:42 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Gamecock
The Roman Catholic Church officially declares that the One God of Holy Scripture is also the God of Islam.

Don't bet on it.

4 posted on 02/20/2007 9:35:46 AM PST by x_plus_one (As long as we pretend to not be fighting Iran in Iraq, we can't pretend to win the war.)
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To: Gamecock
The referenced homily in its entirety:

PILGRIMAGE TO KAZAKHSTAN 

HOMILY OF THE HOLY FATHER 

Astana – Square of the Motherland
Sunday, 23 September 2001

 

1. "There is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim 2:5).

These words from the Apostle Paul’s First Letter to Timothy contain the central truth of Christian faith; and it is my joy to announce this truth to you today, dear Brothers and Sisters of Kazakhstan. I come among you as an apostle of Christ and a witness to him; I come as a friend to all people of good will. To each and every one I come to offer the peace and love of God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

I know your history. I know the sufferings to which many of you have been subjected, when the previous totalitarian regime took you from your lands of origin and deported you here in a situation of distress and deprivation. I am happy to be here today among you and to tell you that you are close to the Pope’s heart.

With affection I embrace each of you, dear Brothers in the Episcopate and the Priesthood. I extend special greetings to Bishop Tomasz Peta, Apostolic Administrator of Astana, and I thank him for the words he has spoken on your behalf. I greet the representatives of the other Churches and Ecclesial Communities, as well as the representatives of other Religions found in this vast Eurasian region. I greet His Excellency the President of the Republic, and the civil and military authorities and all who are united with us in this celebration.

2. "There is one God". The Apostle proclaims before all else the absolute oneness of God. This is a truth which Christians inherited from the children of Israel and which they share with Muslims: it is faith in the one God, "Lord of heaven and earth" (Lk 10:21), almighty and merciful.

In the name of this one God, I turn to the people of deep and ancient religious traditions, the people of Kazakhstan. I turn as well to those who belong to no religion and to those who are searching for truth. To them let me repeat the well-known words of Saint Paul, which it was my joy to hear repeated last May at the Areopagus in Athens: "[God] is not far from each one of us, for in him we live and move and have our being" (Acts 17:27-28). And I recall what was written by your great poet Abai Kunanbai: "Can his existence really be doubted / if every thing on the earth bears witness to him?" (Poetry, 14).

3. "There is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus". After proclaiming the mystery of God, the Apostle contemplates Christ, the one mediator of salvation. His is a mediation, Saint Paul notes in another of his Letters, which works through poverty: "Though he was rich, he became poor for your sake, so that by his poverty you might become rich" (2 Cor 8:9).

Jesus "did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped" (Phil 2:6); he did not want to appear before our humanity, which is poor and fragile, in his overwhelming superiority. Had he done so, he would have obeyed the logic not of God but of the potentates of this world, denounced unequivocally by the prophets of Israel, like Amos, from whom today’s First Reading is taken.

The life of Jesus was in full harmony with the saving plan of the Father, "who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim 2:4). He bore faithful witness to the divine will, giving "himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim 2:6). Giving himself completely in love, Jesus won for us friendship with God, which had been lost because of sin. This "logic of love" is what he holds out to us, asking us to live it above all through generosity to those in need. It is a logic which can bring together Christians and Muslims, and commit them to work together for the "civilization of love". It is a logic which overcomes all the cunning of this world and allows us to make true friends who will welcome us "into the eternal dwelling-places" (Lk 16:9), into the "homeland" of heaven.

4. Dearly beloved, humanity’s homeland is the Kingdom of heaven! How compelling it is for us to ponder this truth in this place, in the Square which bears the name of the Mother Land, and where stands the monument symbolizing it. The Second Vatican Council taught that there is a link between human history and the Kingdom of God, between the various stages of society’s progress and the final goal towards which humanity is called by the free decision of God (cf. Gaudium et Spes, 33-39).

The tenth anniversary of the independence of Kazakhstan, which you celebrate this year, prompts us to view things in this perspective. What link is there between this earthly homeland, with its values and goals, and the heavenly homeland, into which the whole human family is called to enter beyond every injustice and conflict? The Council’s answer is enlightening: "Earthly progress must be distinguished from the unfolding of the Kingdom of Christ, but to the extent that it contributes to a better ordering of human society, it is most important for the Kingdom of God" (ibid., 39).

5. Christians are both inhabitants of this world and citizens of the Kingdom of heaven. They commit themselves wholeheartedly to the building of earthly society, but they remain focused upon the good things of eternity, as if looking to a superior and surpassing model in order to implement it ever more effectively in everyday life.

Christianity does not lead to alienation from the tasks of this earth. If at times, in some quite particular situations, it gives this impression, that is because many Christians do not live as they should. But in truth, when it is lived as it should be, Christianity is a leaven in society, producing growth and maturity on the human level and opening society to the transcendent dimension of the Kingdom of Christ, in which the new humanity will be fully accomplished.

This spiritual dynamism draws strength from prayer, as today’s Second Reading made clear. And in this celebration we want to pray for Kazakhstan and its inhabitants, so that this vast nation, with all its ethnic, cultural and religious variety, will grow stronger in justice, solidarity and peace. May it progress on the basis in particular of cooperation between Christians and Muslims, committed day by day, side by side, in the effort to fulfil God’s will.

6. Yet prayer must always be accompanied by appropriate works. Following Christ’s example, the Church never separates evangelization from human promotion, and she urges the faithful in every circumstance to work for social renewal and progress.

Dear Brothers and Sisters, may the "Mother Land" of Kazakhstan find in you her loving and concerned children, faithful to the spiritual and cultural heritage received from your forebears and able to adapt this heritage to new demands.

In keeping with the Gospel, distinguish yourself by your humility and integrity, offering your talents for the sake of the common good and showing special concern for the weakest and most disadvantaged. Respect for each one’s rights, even when that person has different personal beliefs, is the foundation of all truly human harmony.

In deep and practical ways, have an attitude of communion among yourselves and towards everyone, drawing inspiration from what the Acts of the Apostles tell us of the first community of believers (Acts 2:44-45; 4:32). At the Eucharistic table, your charity is nourished: bear witness to it in fraternal love and in service to the poor, the sick and the abandoned. Bring people together and work for reconciliation and peace between individuals and groups, nurturing genuine dialogue so that the truth will always emerge.

7. Love the family! Defend and promote it as the basic cell of human society; nurture it as the prime sanctuary of life. Give great care to the preparation of engaged couples and be close to young married couples, so that they will be for their children and the whole community an eloquent testimony of God’s love.

Dear Brothers and Sisters, deeply moved with joy, I want to exhort you and all the believers united with us in the words which I have often repeated as we begin this millennium: Duc in altum!

With affection I embrace you, people of Kazakhstan, and I encourage you to bring to completion all your projects of love and salvation. God will never abandon you. Amen.

5 posted on 02/20/2007 9:37:08 AM PST by Titanites
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To: Gamecock
The referenced section of the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

Who belongs to the Catholic Church?

836 "All men are called to this catholic unity of the People of God. . . . And to it, in different ways, belong or are ordered: the Catholic faithful, others who believe in Christ, and finally all mankind, called by God's grace to salvation."

837 "Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are those who, possessing the Spirit of Christ, accept all the means of salvation given to the Church together with her entire organization, and who - by the bonds constituted by the profession of faith, the sacraments, ecclesiastical government, and communion - are joined in the visible structure of the Church of Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. Even though incorporated into the Church, one who does not however persevere in charity is not saved. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but 'in body' not 'in heart.'

838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter." Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church." With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist."

The Church and non-Christians

839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."

The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People, "the first to hear the Word of God." The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ", "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."

840 And when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

842 The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:

All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .

843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."

844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:

Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.

845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.

6 posted on 02/20/2007 10:00:09 AM PST by Titanites
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To: Gamecock
Excellent thread, GC.

...epitomized history of conflict which, from the moment of the Fall, has been waged between the children of light and of darkness, between those who adhere to the Gospel of grace and God's righteousness, and those who are ranged on the side of the Devil by their love of accommodation and compromise. At this moment of history the Ecumenism of accommodation, with the Pope leading the pack, accepts Islam as a great religion. The true believer must decide where he or she stands. " And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve."

I can accept that President Bush must accommodate a multitude of beliefs in our political world.

But for any religious leader to proclaim Christians and Muslims worship the same God is blasphemy. They will have to account for their terrible error.

"But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." -- Matthew 10:33

We can see by the example of Peter's three denials of Christ that God may still bring about repentance and faith, if He so chooses. But anyone remaining in such denial is surely toast.

7 posted on 02/20/2007 10:37:41 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Gamecock
KEYWORDS: FASCINATEDWCATHOLICS; ISLAM; POPE; RC; REBUTAL; WATERMELON; Click to Add Keyword

Within the last hour or less, someone has added this keyword to your thread. Prior to that, I was the only one using it, and only began using it today.

Did I mention I have a secret admirer?

8 posted on 02/20/2007 10:59:18 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy; Gamecock

Or perhaps a stalker. Creepy.


9 posted on 02/20/2007 11:13:18 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alex Murphy

Just keep in mind: "All that is hidden will be revealed."


10 posted on 02/20/2007 11:32:30 AM PST by Running On Empty
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To: Gamecock
The Roman Catholic Church officially declares that the One God of Holy Scripture is also the God of Islam.

WOW !

They are lost !

Allah is not YHvH and is not the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.

b'shem Yah'shua
11 posted on 02/20/2007 12:29:21 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHVH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya’aqob.”Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Titanites

Thanks. I am a big fan of context.


12 posted on 02/20/2007 12:48:34 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: XeniaSt

Correct. Allah is the Arab-pagan moon god, given a makeover with some scripture stolen from Judaism and Gnosticism by his "prophet." We must love our Moslem neighbors, but let's not pretend that we all worship the same God.


13 posted on 02/20/2007 1:09:12 PM PST by cdcdawg
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To: mockingbyrd; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; xzins; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; HarleyD; ...
I am a big fan of context

I've never seen a Protestant minister kiss the Quran. What possible "context" could justify this?


14 posted on 02/20/2007 1:16:14 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

The pope kissed most gifts that he received. Including, but not limited to, guitars, books, hats, gloves, rosarys, statues etc., etc., etc.

Then again, that's a picture of a pope who is no longer with us. This thread is about the current pope. So, it's out of context in my book.


15 posted on 02/20/2007 1:20:27 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: mockingbyrd
The pope kissed most gifts that he received. Including, but not limited to, guitars, books, hats, gloves, rosarys, statues etc., etc., etc.

Shows a great lack of discernment, not to mention hygiene.

Regarding the current pope, I cheered his earlier rebuttal of Islam. Sadly, he backslid and very nearly recanted his earlier correct appraisal of a demented philosophy and the evil fruit it produces.

16 posted on 02/20/2007 1:27:13 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: mockingbyrd

oops, this is a sermon from John Paul the Great. Guess I got my pope threads mixed up.


17 posted on 02/20/2007 1:33:15 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Shows a great lack of discernment, not to mention hygiene.

What can I say? I don't get a lot of European customs and traditions either.

Benedict's "I'm sorry that you took my words wrong and got offended, I just said ya'll weren't too rational and now you are killing people to prove you are" alleged apology doesn't constitute a back slide in my book. Neither did his trip to Turkey. Then again, no matter how big the mistake, if you hand it to the Lord, He can bring good out of it.

18 posted on 02/20/2007 1:37:13 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: Titanites

ping


19 posted on 02/20/2007 2:43:29 PM PST by Taggart_D
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Actually, I think JPII, while wonderful in many ways, went completely overboard on his "ecumenical" acts. These ranged from the appalling events at the "interfaith fest" at Assisi to the kissing of the Koran. I honestly don't know what he could have been thinking when he did or approved these things, but I think much of it may have had to do with the fact that he was elderly, sick and probably being given a lot of things through his handlers. And who knows what their agenda was?

The new Pope has corrected many of these things. Assisi, for instance, has been taken out of the hands of its arrangers and the city of Assisi has a new bishop. And BXVI was the first modern person to confront Islam honestly. He didn't back down; he simply gave them a chance to explain themselves and think about it. He is a teacher, and a teacher leads his pupils with alternate kicks and carrots.

We shall see if his teaching has any result or not. Personally, I think if it does, it will only be in the conversion of individual Muslims and not in any change to Islam itself, which has been violent and irrational for 1400 years and isn't about to change now.

Did you know that the subject of the Pope's Lenten retreat for this year is the Book of Revelations, and that Soloviev's vision of the Antichrist is going to be the subject of one of the days of the retreat? It is being preached by Cardinal Biffi, who has already written on the Antichrist and the end of the world. So maybe there are some things going on that we don't know about.


20 posted on 02/20/2007 4:38:15 PM PST by livius
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