Posted on 02/18/2007 7:30:33 PM PST by freedomdefender
A retired Air Force officer who now spends his days authoring books on Christianity has posted an online collection of recordings he believes captures voices and music of God's angels in heaven.
Angelic statue in Lommel, Belgium (photo: Jan Schiphorst, used with permission)
"I have four specific recordings of angels singing in church settings," Jim Bramlett of Lake Mary, Fla., told WND. "It happened supernaturally. There's no other explanation. It's either from God or from the devil, and I don't think the devil is in the business of worshipping Jesus. That is not in his job description."
Bramlett, 76, collected the tapes from various sources in recent years, and has now put them on his ChoicesForLiving website, where readers can click on several links to listen to three recordings made in the U.S., and one from China.
The Feb. 6, 1996, recording at the Greater Grace World Outreach Church in Baltimore, Md., starts off with a woman playing a piano, and gradually, accompanying voices are heard in the background. Bramlett described them as "beautiful voices of beings who were not in the service."
Jim Bramlett
"I have the full tape with the pastor discussing the situation with the congregation, and about 25 people gave testimony to hearing the voices. They were all in awe at what had happened."
Another recording took place at the Carpenter's Home Church in Lakeland, Fla., and features a 10-minute, sustained sound after a call to praise by a minister.
"They seem to lift the praise of the congregation to a totally new and awesome level, and it just goes on and on. The intensity and consistency are clearly supernatural and beyond the ability of the congregation," explains Bramlett, a former vice president at the Christian Broadcasting Network where he spent nine years.
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A woman who says she and her husband were at the Lakeland service wrote Bramlett to vouch for the authenticity of what took place:
"The tape of the Florida meeting was exactly like the way it sounds. Glenn and I were there during those meetings, and if it wasn't this one then there is another tape of a meeting where [the phenomenon] happened again. The one we were in went on and on and stopped abruptly. Silence for about a minute then a male voice sang out 'Glooooory' and several women's voices from different directions echoed 'Gloooooory' in perfect harmony, and the praise and worship started up all over again."
Perhaps the most stunning of all the recordings is thought to be from a church in Kansas City, where there is not only an audible chorus of "Hallelujah" meaning "praise God" but also the voice of a male soloist who purportedly was not present. The lyrics of the mysterious solo were transcribed as follows:
Hallelujah, breathe it all across the land Everybody's singing at the Lord's command All the saints and the angels up in glory wait to hear the news of Jesus and his children as they're coming through. Though he doesn't have it on tape, Wayne Warmack of Greater Works Ministries in Rogers, Ark., says he and his wife, Sandy, personally heard angelic voices during a Passover celebration last April at a lakeside retreat center near Marianna, Fla.
"I began to distinctly hear wordless voices in perfect harmony with us, that were clearly not coming from me or Sandy, or the other 20 or so people present in the room. They sort of drifted in and out of my hearing while I struggled to maintain my composure and continue the song," Warmack said. "If you've ever heard that sound, it leaves you a different person than when you came in. I can't describe it. There's just no way to describe it. It is definitely heard with more than just the physical ears."
But not everyone is joining the chorus of hallelujahs.
Steven Novella
Dr. Steven Novella, a neurologist at Yale University School of Medicine and president of the New England Skeptical Society, analyzed the electronic voice phenomenon, or EVP, at WND's request.
"The fatal problem with this entire type of evidence is that there is no way to validate or invalidate the source of sound on a recording. Therefore it has no discriminating value," Novella said. "Personal testimony is not reliable as evidence and is not acceptable scientifically. Choosing to have faith in the persons making the angel-voice claims is no different than just having faith in angels in the first place, so the recordings don't get you anywhere."
Novella discussed some of the specific claims made by Bramlett and others who suggest the source of the sound is supernatural:
"There seems to be no doubt they are angelic voices." They sound like human voices to me. This is just a bold assertion without supporting argument or evidence.
" ... about 25 people gave testimony to hearing the voices. They were all in awe at what had happened." Not uncommon for a congregation of believers sharing a common belief and being swept into an emotional fervor by an experienced preacher. Not exactly dispassionate testimony.
"I have had this tape for several years but I recently found a cleaner version of it on the Internet, preceded by an explanation. I do not know the identity of the narrator." This reminds of the "Jesus in the clouds" picture that keeps cropping up. When the same piece of evidence keeps coming up in different contexts and situations, that strongly suggests fraud. Also, the angels in this recording were playing bass guitar and horn, and at one point broke into a pretty funky beat. It's actually pretty laughable. Also, it was noted that the angel voices were not noticed until the recording was played back, so nothing was heard during the recording. This is a red flag for a recording artifact. The simplest explanation is that the recording was made over a prior recording of a choir singing with accompanying music, and they heard the two recordings superimposed when they played it back.
So, bottom line, these are all worthless as evidence. They are being offered uncritically by people who already believe, are not questioning the angel claims, and who are committing some logical fallacies.
"I think his explanations are nonsense," responded Bramlett.
"Over the years, I have found there are negative skeptics and cynics out there on every subject. It is easy to find them. They are so predictable, and they typically reject anything supernatural. They have to, because to admit it would be tantamount to admitting to a God to whom they are accountable. They cannot permit that. It is as simple as that. Biblically speaking, you could say they are spiritually dead and they think everything must have a natural, material explanation."
The concept of supernatural beings called angels has a strong basis in Scripture. In the King James Version of the Bible, the word "angel" is found 201 times in 192 verses, while "angels" occurs 94 times in 92 verses.
At least two are named Michael and Gabriel and the New Testament describes a galactic conflict involving angels at war with each other.
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels (Revelation 12:7)
The Bible also records numerous instances of angels appearing to humans and even having discussions with them.
The angel Gabriel appears to the virgin Mary in 1898's 'The Annunciation' by Pennsylvania artist Henry Ossawa Tanner
The 19th chapter of Genesis indicates two angels helped rescue Lot and his family from the ancient city of Sodom; Luke 1:26 shows the angel Gabriel being dispatched by God to the town of Nazareth to inform Mary she would miraculously become pregnant with Jesus; and Hebrews 13:2 reminds people to "entertain strangers," since some strangers might actually be angels.
Bramlett believes angels are still making appearances in our modern day, and he documents several purported instances on his website.
"Some say that true reality is spiritual, not physical," he said. "The supernatural breaks through [into our dimension], and it's exciting when it does."
to me, that part is the best because we often make worship not what it should be. We mouth it but we don't really have it in our hearts. That's my interpretation anyway. Lip service but not heart service.
AMEN.
I love that one especially. We've made worship ME centered and not God centered. This brings me back to basics.
Amen, leenie! Good to see you back on FR. I've missed you. Hope all is well. Love, Maryxxx
Having worshipped in your church, I can say AMEN to all you've said. It's the same in our church. We have more babies and toddlers than most churches ever have. It's wonderful to see people actually wanting LARGE families again. I love it when our two churches get together.
We ALL have different tastes. I happen to love BOTH and there's room for both in any church service.
Not at all. You have to remember that the church in China has been and still is a persecuted church. they've been LIVING end times prophecy. they understand it ever so much more than the American church does. They KNOW what's going on. We don't. It's warfare music and very real to them.
That last audio clip from Kansas sounded awesome. I did notice something after listening to it several times though that make me wonder if it really is angels singing. At the beginning when you hear the regular human choir singing while the "angels" hold out that long note before harmonizing with them, you can hear a dominant male voice among the choir that sounds like the male soloist a little later, who according to the narrator would have been an angel (since the regular choir paused during the solo). If they are angels then it's definitely an awesome thing to be able to listen to but noticing what I did makes me think this is likely just a recording of a large choir of people who can sing really well. And as much as I would like to witness some of God's awesome theatrics I'm going to be very skeptical of something off the internet making such large claims.
Forgot to mention that listening to this has reminded me of the fact that there are all kinds of angelic activities happening all around us without our knowledge that would just knock us off our feet in amazement if we caught even a small glimpse of it. It's impossible to even imagine what heaven will be like when all the saved gather side by side with the angels before God's throne to worship Him forever. All I can say is that it's something to look forward to and is better than anything this world has to offer.
I agree. That's why I pointed out a particular modern song that inspired me to worship. I love several old hymns (Come Thou Fount, Be Thou My Vision, And Can it Be, It Is Well With my Soul), but there are several that do nothing to move me into that frame of mind. I have to say that more modern worship songs do just that. But the opposite is true for others, so I think you have to have a good mix of both, which our church does.
I also realize that worship is not about the person, but about God. However, most people need a little prompting (music) to get their hearts and minds away from the outside world and into a spirit of worship.
"Knock us off our feet" is right. I think I probably would faint in shock/fright if I were to witness something like that. It bothers me that I would be so overcome, but I really do think I would. Hopefully, if I ever did catch a glimpse of angelic activities, I won't be driving:-)
Our church has a fantastic organist and she plays hymns and old sacred music. It's so uplifting. Our worship team does mostly the newer worship music but it's uplifting as well. I don't think God is as concerned about what kind of worship music we use. It's our heart for worship that He's most interested in. People who have never done that should try it sometime. It's wonderful. Mxxx
Why?
I've been listening to these for about two weeks. The one from China gave me shivers up my spine and I started sobbing. Go figure.
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